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[zan]

Quote: What does the Finnish proposal offer, since the Port of Famagusta is already operational? This is the main question on the minds of Turkish Cypriot organizations involved with the functioning of the port. Representatives from three organizations have all emphasized that the port is active and running, with ships docking there every day. To date, ships from 33 countries have docked at the port, including those from European Union member states, including the United Kingdom, Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Sweden, Greece, the Netherlands and more. :shock:


http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=58382

[cypezokyli]

so wheres the absolute embargo ? :wink:

[erolz]

cypezokyli wrote: so wheres the absolute embargo ? :wink:

Where is the claim of an absolute embargo ? The EU has never embargoed SELLING its goods to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, it has embargoed buying goods from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. In any case the real issue as far as economic growth in the north goes is non direct flights to Erjan given that tourism is such a vital eaners for all of Cyprus.

The effects of the embargoes and isolation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus are real and reflected (in monetary terms) in the disparity in average wealth levels between the north and the south - unless of course you believe that Turkish Cypriot are just not as good at making money as Greek Cypriot?

[cypezokyli]

Quote: Where is the claim of an absolute embargo ?

all i was trying to say was, that especially after 2004 the Turkish Cypriot / turkish rhetoric and propaganda evolves around the isolation. and it has been done so well that even zan was shocked to read that :wink:

so when a Turkish Cypriot refers to a term such as economic isolation he understands ercan , for someone else (like a finn) it might mean a thousand different things. propaganda campaigns are always evolving around one specific slogan , and the slogan has to be strong, if it is going to have any effect. possible exceptions to the slogan cannot be included for very sound reasons.
thats all i was trying to point out.

in no way did i try to claim that the restriction on direct flights doesnot influence the Turkish Cypriot tourist industry. (at the same time as much as i read from the press, the sector might also starting to get influenced by high prices and destruction of the environment. the significance of those are ofcource very small compared to the direct flighs, but can explain the fall in arrivals in the last summer)

and in no way did i ever claim this :
Quote: unless of course you believe that Turkish Cypriot are just not as good at making money as Greek Cypriot?


even during the british times when Greek Cypriot started getting richer, this had nothing to do with them being "better" , but to long historical traditions between the two communities. these conditions ofcource dont exist anymore...
such claims exist only in the brains of Greek Cypriot nationalists :wink:

[zan]

Quote: all i was trying to say was, that especially after 2004 the Turkish Cypriot / turkish rhetoric and propaganda evolves around the isolation. and it has been done so well that even zan was shocked to read that

Actually Cyp my shock was a bit false. What I meant to convey was that if trade in these ports has started and 33 countries are using them, and along with the news I heard yesterday that there is a Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus flag flying in the new Arsenal football stadium, that the process of recognition has started.

[Birkibrisli]

I read something incredible online today.
To have goods moved officially between the South and the North,people have to send them to Lebanon first,from there onto Turkey,and bring them in to the North from there.And that is not because the Cyprus government won't allow it...but because it is cheaper that way as the trade taxes and fees etc imposed by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus government are too high.

Can this be true???If it is those cries of "isolation" will have a very hollow ring indeed... :shock:

[zan]

Birkibrisli wrote: I read something incredible online today.
To have goods moved officially between the South and the North,people have to send them to Lebanon first,from there onto Turkey,and bring them in to the North from there.And that is not because the Cyprus government won't allow it...but because it is cheaper that way as the trade taxes and fees etc imposed by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus government are too high.

Can this be true???If it is those cries of "isolation" will have a very hollow ring indeed... :shock:

Just as an initial response Bir because I don't know, could this be the same reasons as to why the south is looking to charge people that want to cross over to the north. Just more politics and ways to get around the restrictions between the two side. I mean what self respecting Turkish Cypriot would want to do direct trade with those horrible fellows in the south. :wink:

[Birkibrisli]

It would be good if someone who knows can confirm or deny it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it is.It would be another proof that both sides are more interested in playing politics and trying to make the other look bad than improving trade or other communication between them.
The South says the North is part of Cyprus so our goods are free to travel...the North says No,we are a different country hence you must pay taxes to sell your goods here...The people keep suffering,and the problem just drags on...and on...and on... :evil: :evil: :evil:

[cypezokyli]

an additional point here , since the opening of the famagusta port is considered as insignificant for the Turkish Cypriots.
apparently the finnish proposal, is not giving sth to the Greek Cypriots either. the closed famagusta is supposed simply to moove from the authority of the turkish army to the authority of the UN. no refuggee is supposed to return!!!
so i really dont see the point of this proposal.

[Dream_Merchant]

I dont think Famagusta should be given to any Greek Cypriot control.. or as a matter of fact, the Turkish Cypriot authorities should not forsake control of it. However significant or insignificant it may be. Such a move will only fan the flames of the unquenchable greed of the Greek Cypriots in making greater and greater demands.

I move that the Greek Cypriot community overthrow its murderous leaders and recognise the independant state of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, forsake its illegal claims over the entire island and move hand in hand across an international border with its Turkish Cypriots brother for a brighter future for the whole island together.

Only then will Famagusta be truly free.

[FAMAGUSTA]

Dream_Merchant wrote: I dont think Famagusta should be given to any Greek Cypriot control.. or as a matter of fact, the Turkish Cypriot authorities should not forsake control of it. However significant or insignificant it may be. Such a move will only fan the flames of the unquenchable greed of the Greek Cypriots in making greater and greater demands.

I move that the Greek Cypriot community overthrow its murderous leaders and recognise the independant state of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, forsake its illegal claims over the entire island and move hand in hand across an international border with its Turkish Cypriots brother for a brighter future for the whole island together.

Only then will Famagusta be truly free.


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:drink: You should have known that drinking and writing are quit dangerous to brain cells

:party:

[Viewpoint]

Dream_Merchant wrote: I dont think Famagusta should be given to any Greek Cypriot control.. or as a matter of fact, the Turkish Cypriot authorities should not forsake control of it. However significant or insignificant it may be. Such a move will only fan the flames of the unquenchable greed of the Greek Cypriots in making greater and greater demands.

I move that the Greek Cypriot community overthrow its murderous leaders and recognise the independant state of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, forsake its illegal claims over the entire island and move hand in hand across an international border with its Turkish Cypriots brother for a brighter future for the whole island together.

Only then will Famagusta be truly free.

Amen... :wink:

[Chapfallen]

The whole issue about Famagusta is very complex if Famgusta opens under UN authority then the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will be updated and we will be in more difficult position and the next plan it will be worst, if Famagusta opens under UN authority with specific time limits it’s the best it can happen because it will force us for a solution in a specific time.

The tragic is what the most possible scenario is the first because no one believes what we want a solution and they (UN, EU, America everybody) are interested to update Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and gives us back for exchange just air.

Oli Rhen has made it clear what Famgusta is a UN issue and he can’t involve.

TPap want to get Famagusta to manipulate the Cypriot stupidity about his great achievements and he doesn’t give a shit about a solution and this is obvious to the foreigners that they are not willing to play his pathetic game so in the end we will loose everything and we will get a big dick marinated with cucumbers.

So in this case we will have Famagusta under UN authority with unspecified time limits and this could lead us even to the recognition of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (after many years) but the issue will be open in the UN and we can wait for a miracle.

The only solution I see through all this is a much worst Anan plan based in confederation and this is only if we are lucky and this is only after some decades.

Because if they (the UN EU) wanted a solution based on the Anan plan a BBF they was going to choose the second scenario in the forced time limits, but since no one gives a shit why do the foreigners have to play gods?

[pg]

Do you believe the UN would block people from going home to their houses, in Famagusta, also considering the UNSC resolution on the issue?

The time limit is something the Technical Chamber has been pushing for (for a long time) in order to repair infrastructure, etc.. (Compare Paphos it will probably take us about 10 years to do the beach road.) Implementing the time-limit will most likely make it easier for people in the know to make money on the changes.

I have not seen Rehn's full statement anywhere, but I did see that he also said the EU does, of course, support letting the legal owners of Varosha return to their homes.

[cypezokyli]

from what hsa reached the press up to now, nothing refers to return of famagusta...
so i dont really see whats so great about this whole issue