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depurple · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 2876 Location: Australia

Who really is the axis of evil? Sounds like a Black Sabbath Song!
AXIS OF EVIL!
Hey back to the forum!
Sorry:
Where were I before I was rudely interrupted by Ozzie Osbourne!
OK who will it be?

IRAN? And there new Nuke plans?

Nth Korea? With there ready to Nuke Duke Plans?

Syria? Because the Jews said so?

Pakistan? Because the US has shifted its policy towards India?

LET ME KNOW?

America F**K Yeah!
cheers

cypezokyli · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

with the S*** they are currently in, it is highly unlikely if they will open another front soon.
besides at home, the critisism started growing.

so dont get to excited whenever you listen something catchy on the press , of the kind "axis of evil".

depurple · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 2876 Location: Australia

Hi cypezokyli
Maybe they are like the Dutch Kid with the Dyke?
Too many holes to plug!
BUT the US WAR machine has to keep turning!
cheers

city · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 3370 Location: Larnaca area

I agree with cypez. It would be pretty stupid politically and also hazardous from the point of the overall economy but then again dp is right. The power of the big military companies and GWB's inolvement with them shall not be underestimated.
So I'm afraid more sooner then later some country will be the next on their list to invade.... :-(

AQMessiah · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 113 Location: New York

Well, I'm thinking North Korea. Iran doesn't have a nuclear arsenal yet but N. Korea is threatening to test them. And yes, you guys are right. G.W. Bush wouldn't dare open up a new front, but he would definitely assist Japan or China in halting N. Korean nuclear progression.

cannedmoose · Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject:

North Korea has finally done what we've all been expecting for a while and crossed the nuclear threshold. If this does anything, it makes the regime of Kim Jong-Il far more secure than it was previously. What American President would dream of launching a strike on the north and risk 4 million South Koreans (and 37,000 Americans) being vaporised within the first hour? Well, we might say George W. Bush is the man, but I doubt even he could sink to such levels of stupidity.

The provocative American stance on North Korea is responsible for this development. Had they adopted the more pragmatic stance that others have in dealings with countries like Libya and Iran, I doubt it would have reached this stage. But the hawks Cheney and Rumsfeld won through again and we now sit with a North Korean finger on the nuclear button... what a great world we live in. New World Order? Pah...

thebrix · Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject:

cannedmoose wrote: The provocative American stance on North Korea is responsible for this development. Had they adopted the more pragmatic stance that others have in dealings with countries like Libya and Iran, I doubt it would have reached this stage. But the hawks Cheney and Rumsfeld won through again and we now sit with a North Korean finger on the nuclear button... what a great world we live in. New World Order? Pah...

I don't think so. The North Korean regime is so bizarre and perverse almost anything was (and is) possible and "fault" doesn't come into it.

In the end, if someone decides to shut themselves off from the world and do what they please at leisure there is nothing that can be done to stop them ... ! (I do not believe that the "talks" were sincere on the North Korean side; they were merely a device to give the impression that some sort of breakthrough might be possible, when it never was).

boomerang · Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 1133 Location: Melbourne

There is no way in hell the US will attack North Korea...

North Korea will attack, Seoul and Tokyo...The economies of these countries will collapse along with the US...and maybe the EU economy...

I think China is calling the shots on this one...

Just remember a while ago when they launch some test missiles...the US was tracking them and China was tracking the US... :lol:

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

cannedmoose wrote: North Korea has finally done what we've all been expecting for a while and crossed the nuclear threshold. If this does anything, it makes the regime of Kim Jong-Il far more secure than it was previously. What American President would dream of launching a strike on the north and risk 4 million South Koreans (and 37,000 Americans) being vaporised within the first hour? Well, we might say George W. Bush is the man, but I doubt even he could sink to such levels of stupidity.

The provocative American stance on North Korea is responsible for this development. Had they adopted the more pragmatic stance that others have in dealings with countries like Libya and Iran, I doubt it would have reached this stage. But the hawks Cheney and Rumsfeld won through again and we now sit with a North Korean finger on the nuclear button... what a great world we live in. New World Order? Pah...

Moosey sums up my thoughts exactly. :wink: Well said gardash.

cannedmoose · Posted: Tue Oct 10, 2006 10:54 pm Post subject:

thebrix wrote: I don't think so. The North Korean regime is so bizarre and perverse almost anything was (and is) possible and "fault" doesn't come into it.

In the end, if someone decides to shut themselves off from the world and do what they please at leisure there is nothing that can be done to stop them ... ! (I do not believe that the "talks" were sincere on the North Korean side; they were merely a device to give the impression that some sort of breakthrough might be possible, when it never was).

I have to disagree with your logic this time my friend. As bizarre as the DPRK regime is (and it's way high on the bizarre scale), they were not just using the negotiations as some kind of twisted game. They were trying to extract concessions such as provision of high-level civilian nuclear technology and a guarantee from the US that they would not be attacked. I agree that it was inevitable that they would seek a nuclear weapon, after all, they have devoted massive sums to developing long-range missiles, the next step was to begin developing a warhead to stick on them. But I think the whole process of development has been accelerated by the attitude of the US leadership on the Korean issue. George Bush's infamous 'Axis of Evil' declaration, his beligerance against Iraq (which did not pose such a massive threat) and his ongoing demonisation of Iran have only crystalised the DPRK's impression that America is an imperialist hegemon bent on their destruction.

The only comforting factor in this must be that their current nuclear technology is probably rather primitive, akin to the large, unwieldy devices exploded as part of the Manhattan project in WWII, but with the investment they are certain to continue making in acquiring nuclear technology - either domestic or foreign - it can't be too many years before they will be able to deploy a weapon, however crude it may be.

What is most dangerous are the steps that will now be taken. With all the talk of a regime collapse in North Korea, we have to ask who would take the place of the Kim regime? The only answer is a military leader, as the military is the strongest institution in the country and has most to lose from chaos or unification with the south. If you think Kim Jong-Il is crazy, look at some of the commanders who serve him. With their warped view of the outside world, I think they would be more likely to launch a pre-emptive strike south than Kim himself, whose ego is comfortable in his Big Brother state.

P.S. This is an interesting watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LV_lSWPxv0

For those of you unfamiliar with North Korea's worldview and view of itself, this pretty much sums it up in 3 minutes... this is all that the people of North Korea see on tv every day... in a bizarre way though, it does remind me of some of the military clips I've so often seen on Cyprus TV ;)

city · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 3370 Location: Larnaca area

On the issue of N.Korea I find it very characteristic for the current political situation in the world that everyone is thinking abot sanctions against the country before there is even hard evidence that proves the nuclear test.
Geologists have serious doubts that the test really took place as the seismic activity monitored was very low.

I think it would be better to get the facts straight first before escalating the situation.

cypezokyli · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

apparently there are a numbre of people who seriously challange that NK made a nuclear test.

that would be indeed funny. even though it seems that it suits many countries that the test was real (north korea and its enemies!!) . weird world that we live in... :roll:

city · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 3370 Location: Larnaca area

update, but still controversial

Quote: North Korea's underground test reportedly took place at 1036 (0136 GMT) on Monday in Gilju in north-east Hamgyong province.

Russia is the only country to have confirmed that it was a nuclear explosion, amid speculation the test was not wholly successful.

South Korea said on Thursday that it had not detected any abnormal radioactivity levels on its soil after its northern neighbour's alleged nuclear test.

However, Japan already has put sanctions in place

Quote: On Friday Japan's cabinet approved fresh sanctions on North Korea, including banning all imports from the country.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6046250.stm

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1404 Location: Australia

I just watched the Youtube video link by Moose.
The overall impression i got was a whole nation infected with rabies.
The NK regime is obviously trying desperately to hold onto power.
I feel sorry for the North Korean people who have to put us with this despotic regime.The thought that this government might be holding a finger on some nuclear button is truly terrifying... :evil:

city · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 3370 Location: Larnaca area

Birkibrisli wrote: ....I feel sorry for the North Korean people who have to put us with this despotic regime.The thought that this government might be holding a finger on some nuclear button is truly terrifying... :evil:

Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6livwPnGI you can see dramatically why we should feel sorry for the people in North Korea. It has been filmed undercover as the country don't allow any foreign journalists in. Everything is kept secret and shut to the outside world.
Even the leader Kim Jong Il has not been seen in public for ages...