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[Kifeas]

The Turkish Cypriot “Akritas” Plan!

According to Glafkos Clerides, (page 204 of his book “Cyprus: My Deposition,” ) this is a translation of the text of a Turkish Cypriot secret plan of action drafted by Dr. Kutchuk and Denktash, and which was found by police in the safe of the Republic of Cyprus vice president’s office in 1964 (after the events of December 1963.)






Note: I post the copy of this reference because during various discussions we talked about it, but since it is not anywhere on the internet (as far as I know,) some people may not be aware of its actual content.

[Kifeas]

Another document that was found in Dr. Kutchuk’s safe –always according to Clerides book, is a document (memorandum) that was send by the TMT to Kutchuk, which pre-dates the above plan, and which asks him (Kutchuk) and the rest of the Turkish Cypriot political leadership to proceede with a plan of action based on the guidelines and parameters of this memorandum. It is alleged that this memorandum was drafted by Denktash as the leader of the TMT, even though Clerides in his book makes no mention to him as the author, but that it was prepared by the Turkish Cypriot fighter units (or TMT.)

Bellow is a copy of this memorandum in Turkish, as it was provided in appendix G, of Volume 1, pg. 466 of Clerides book “Cyprus: My Deposition.”

[Issy1956]

Kifeas,
Thank you for the very interesting post. Does it show anything other than the Turkish Cypriot community anticipating and preparing for the events of December 1963? The Greek Cypriot were intent on removing thje "excessive rights" of the Turkish Cypriot as prelude to "exercising self determination(Enosis) and the Turkish Cypriot were anticipating their reaction to this. Its rather depressing to think that it could have all been different if they had worked together back then. What does it tell us about being able to work together today?

Issy

[Kifeas]

Issy1956 wrote: Kifeas,
Thank you for the very interesting post. Does it show anything other than the Turkish Cypriot community anticipating and preparing for the events of December 1963? The Greek Cypriot were intent on removing thje "excessive rights" of the Turkish Cypriot as prelude to "exercising self determination(Enosis) and the Turkish Cypriot were anticipating their reaction to this. Its rather depressing to think that it could have all been different if they had worked together back then. What does it tell us about being able to work together today?

Issy

You are welcome Issy!
The above plan (first posting of this thread) essentially contemplates the unilateral abrogation of the 1960 constitution on the part of the Greek Cypriot leadership and notes the clearly partitionist actions that the Turkish Cypriot leadership was planning to make. However, what is most interesting of all is the fact that it recognises that the Greek Cypriot leadership may not take such a path for a unilateral abrogation, but instead it may go through a slow process of amendment proposals -while holding the constitution de facto unenforceable; since such a move (unilateral abrogation) would have given the Turkish Cypriot side and Turkey the moral right to carry on according to the provisions of its plan. In this respect, and in order for this eventuality to be avoided, the plan envisions a "forcing of the hand" of the Greek Cypriots to go ahead with a unilateral abrogation, so that this will allow them to more easily proceed with their own plan for separation and partition. This fact is evident in paragraph 2 of page 206 of the above plan.

According the second document (in Turkish) that was posted in this thread, which indicates the views and positions of the TMT on the whole issue as they are illustrated in sections 1, 2 and 3, the Turkish Cypriot leadership and Turkey (in the words of the then Turkish president Mr. Gursel,) accepted the 1960 agreements only as a temporary interim halting place (transitional station.) It goes on to explain why the agreements were signed on the assumption of them being as such, i.e. “a temporary interim halting place,” and also the reasons why they were not accepted on the hypothesis that they constituted the final solution.

[Chapfallen]

Kliridis is a traitor (maybe he also had real estate plans like Vasileiou) why you mention him as valid source when actually he tried to sell Cyprus (and the stupid patriots didn’t :lol: ) like you think.

Klirides was in favor of EOKA and he still unable to understand the destruction that it bring to us, he was against to AKRITAS but by his words on his books he trying to justify our position in a stupid way (I have his books “My testimony”) and now when he actually tried to solve the problem he become a traitor when all this years was supporting the mindless rightists.

He got what he deserved by my opinion.

His patriotic reward is to call him traitor.

I hope what all the super stupid patriots will be rewarded like him.

[Lewis Gerolemou]

The silence in response to this thread is deafening, or have I missed something?

[zan]

I can't quite see what Kifeas has to gain from this post. The documents just show a plan of attack in response to the ENOSIS movement, or were you under the impression that the Turkish Cypriots' are not bright enough to prepare a response?

[cypezokyli]

zan wrote: I can't quite see what Kifeas has to gain from this post. The documents just show a plan of attack in response to the ENOSIS movement, or were you under the impression that the Turkish Cypriots' are not bright enough to prepare a response?

i think you should re-read page 206 :wink:

what the above shows is once again how right the term describing cyprus after 1960 "reluctunt democracy" , is. both leaderships , had different plans for cyprus.
apparently the only think that was different, was that the Turkish Cypriot leadership was either luckier or more clever.

[zan]

cypezokyli wrote: zan wrote: I can't quite see what Kifeas has to gain from this post. The documents just show a plan of attack in response to the ENOSIS movement, or were you under the impression that the Turkish Cypriots' are not bright enough to prepare a response?

i think you should re-read page 206 :wink:

what the above shows is once again how right the term describing cyprus after 1960 "reluctunt democracy" , is. both leaderships , had different plans for cyprus.
apparently the only think that was different, was that the Turkish Cypriot leadership was either luckier or more clever.

I don't think any body would argue with you that the two sides had different plans for the island.
I think I would rather go along with... the Turkish Cypriot plan of splitting the island was and is a better alternative than the Greek Cypriot plan of taking over the whole island and unifying it with Greece.

[cypezokyli]

zan wrote:
I think I would rather go along with... the Turkish Cypriot plan of splitting the island was and is a better alternative than the Greek Cypriot plan of taking over the whole island and unifying it with Greece.

i think i would rather go along with.... both leaderships and targets were stupid, simply because none could have been achieved without human suffering.

[zan]

cypezokyli wrote: zan wrote:
I think I would rather go along with... the Turkish Cypriot plan of splitting the island was and is a better alternative than the Greek Cypriot plan of taking over the whole island and unifying it with Greece.

i think i would rather go along with.... both leaderships and targets were stupid, simply because none could have been achieved without human suffering.

I would agree with you if everything else were equal. It would have been stupid to ignore all the history before and not plan ahead.

[Chapfallen]

I can’t found the above in Klirides books “My deposition” is 4 books and in the given page numbers I can’t find anything related, I will search the books but if this is because there is a translated version of the book with different page numbers it will be good if some one could give me the page numbers in the Greek version.

I’ve read the above and I’m just curious how can this textures proved what are not fake? It could easily be written be a Greek and there is a logic problem since the result of this textures is what the Turkish Cypriot’s are very smart and the Greek Cypriot stupids I’m not about to test their iq (because is the same shit) but how did they know that we will start killing people because of a political problem? This could happen only if they did know what we are stupids (that is not totally unearthly though).

[Chapfallen]

I’ve found the above in Kliridis book and the result is what if we had eventually force the constitution and behave to them as equals we could avoid all this shit. The first one on page 210-217 was about a letter of TMT to Dr Kutchuk were criticize him for his tolerance and the second one on pages 217-222 was about a repulsive plan by Kutchuk and Ntektash while I’ve read the whole thing I’m about to believe what it is valid because Turkish Cypriot’s just empowered our Greekness intentions to accomplish their Turkish intentions.

Fuck them all.

I’ll close with Klirides conclusion:

There is no ambiguity that Makarios driving the Democracy to road of collision and what what the Turkish Cypriot’s decided to make that collision head-on.

My conclusion is what the Greek Cypriot had the responsibility to enforce the constitution and to behave to the Turkish Cypriot’s as equals and it is a very good reading this book’s because Kliridis was always a balance person with sense saying the truth in the limitation of possible.

[cypezokyli]

Chapfallen wrote: I can’t found the above in Klirides books “My deposition” is 4 books and in the given page numbers I can’t find anything related, I will search the books but if this is because there is a translated version of the book with different page numbers it will be good if some one could give me the page numbers in the Greek version.

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for gods sake chapfallen!!
just bc you have a personal think with kifeas, that doesnt mean that he will give us false info. this is rediculous. firstly, bc the above is scanned!!
and second kifeas wouldnt do that :wink:
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I’ve read the above and I’m just curious how can this textures proved what are not fake? It could easily be written be a Greek and there is a logic problem since the result of this textures is what the Turkish Cypriot’s are very smart and the Greek Cypriot stupids I’m not about to test their iq (because is the same shit) but how did they know that we will start killing people because of a political problem? This could happen only if they did know what we are stupids (that is not totally unearthly though)
so are you saying that clerides is lying ? :shock:
the above plans can be also found in drousiotis books. not the originals but their essense. so i dont see what exactly you are trying to proof by challanging the sources ?

[Chapfallen]

Kifeas is a supporter of TPap and his lies why anyone trust him?

I’ve answer about it and I don’t think what are lies because I’ve read the whole texture.

I didn’t say what Kliridis could lying but because the things I know about the whole stupid situation it could be a creation but is not and I can’t understand why you continue this issue while I’ve closed it above.

Did you feel traitor and you decided to play their game to prove your self?

I’ve challenge to see their logic and nothing further than that since I’m sick of the religious stupids.

The problem is what you are trying to prove when actually the case is closed?