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[cypezokyli]

Chapfallen wrote: Kifeas is a supporter of TPap and his lies why anyone trust him?



i am sorry but your above statement has the same attitude you supposingly denounce
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Did you feel traitor and you decided to play their game to prove your self?

:wtf:

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The problem is what you are trying to prove when actually the case is closed?


sorry i didnt notice your second post.
good, that the case is closed

[Mete]

Listen, Kifeas. Nobody here denies the fact that there were elements within the Turkish Cypriot community (i.e. TMT) that never believed in the Republic of Cyprus. Majority of Greek Cypriots did not believe in Republic of Cyprus either, they considered it (and some still do) as an unfair arrangement. Afterall, how could 18% block the will of the majority even if the majority's desires (eg. Enosis) were 100% against the desires of the minority?

Republic of Cyprus was a state without any citizens as someone who I don't remember put it. Greek Cypriots owned up to it after it was "cleaned" of Turkish Cypriots and after they realized that their motherland backstabbed them in 1974 by letting Turkey "take over" Cyprus.

[Lewis Gerolemou]

Can somebody translate the Turkish text in Kifeas's first post please.

[Birkibrisli]

Lewis...It will take too long to translate the whole thing,as it is written in very cumbersome official language,but I will translate the first page to give you a taste of it:


1. we accepted the Zurih and London agreements as a "temporary phase",and that's why we signed it.

If we were told it was "the final solution" and not "a temporary phase",we could have refused,and prolonged the fighting between the communities,and could have made the UN face Partition,which they said was "impossible to achieve".


During the administration of the Republic which we considered a "temporary phase" :

(a) We would have achieved international recognition of Turkey's rights over Cyprus

(b) During the time we thus gained,we could prepare better,and taking advantage of the Greek Cypriot mistakes,we could one day accuse them of breaking the agreements,and achieve total liberation.

During this "temporary phase" all our actions and endevours would be geared to take us towards (a) and (b) above,which we considered "the final aim".


But there must be an English version of the whole thing somewhere,perhaps even in Clerides' book,for Kifeas or someone else to upload for all to see...It is an eyeopener.

[Lewis Gerolemou]

Thanks for that Bir. It confirms my belief that BOTH sides are equally to blame for the current Cyprus problem and that in order to move forward the two communities must accept this and stop throwing stones at each other. Both sides have suffered at different times at the hands of the other and it's inevitable that the minority came off worst. Unfortunately the politicians and "hard men" on both sides wish to continue the stone throwing to emphasise their masculinity and stay on top of the pile regardless of what the masses want, the problem is that the first one to "go soft" and hold out his hand to the other side will be called a traitor. Perhaps if enough Greek Cypriots were convinced that they could return home we could see the same "people power" demonstrations in the south that preceeded the opening of the border three years ago in the north.

[Chapfallen]

Quote: regardless of what the masses want

The masses must also feel guilty to have some understanding and believe me what they are also responsible, either because they supported this fuckers either because of their whole cultural background.

[Lewis Gerolemou]

The masses were badly led in the 50s and 60s. I think it would be right to say that they want a fair and lasting solution now but the politicians are too far up their own A holes to care.

[Chapfallen]

Quote: I think it would be right to say that they want a fair and lasting solution now but the politicians are too far up their own A holes to care.

Why then they didn’t throwing rocks to Makarios who wasn’t enforcing the constitution and bring a legal and democratic situation?

Why they didn’t protest against the mistreating of the Turkish Cypriot’s?

Because they was only caring about their own pougga and their own prosperity?

Maybe because they had the god given right from his agent Makarios?

We’ve bring this entire catastrophe because of our paranoiac theocratic background.

The biggest mistake that the English did is what they didn’t unstitch us from the priests.

And the biggest mistake we make is when we decide to throw out the English ruling because we proved what we was incapable to lead our self’s to the future world where the priests run their own business away from political authority.

is easy to accuse others for the general mistakes is easy to find a victim sacrificer to clear your own responsibility.

[Kifeas]

Birkibrisli wrote:
But there must be an English version of the whole thing somewhere,perhaps even in Clerides' book,for Kifeas or someone else to upload for all to see...It is an eyeopener.

This is the translation of the first 3 pages of the above TMT document (in Turkish) found in the office of Dr. Kutchuk in 1964, as it is published in Clerides book “My Deposition,” vol. I.





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