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depurple · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 2879 Location: Australia

Yes there are famous words from a song by Ozzie Osbourne and Black Sabbath from their Masters Of Reality Album:
Has the Pope gone too far with his comments about Mohammad or was he just reading from the Old scriptures without thinking what about the reprecussions:
My own opinion?
Ignore it the Pope is only him and in in GW Bush words we live in a democracy where you are allowed to express and say what you want:
BY freaking out it only adds to what the Pope said about Islam:

I remember when some Politician said that all Albanians are violent and crazy:
And the very next day the Albanians went on a rampage and burnt up the place and smashed people up:
The politician turned around and said: I told you there where crazy and you wouldn't listen:
So if the Moslem's start getting carried away you will play into the hands of some who look at Islam with fear:And we know who they are?
So don't give them a reason to say: I told you so!
cheers
There is an old saying:
The best medicine for a madman is silence!
PS Don't ask me what would I do if they said that about Jesus and Christianity?
It wouldn't bother me because religion is one of the factors I cant go back to wouldn't:

cannedmoose · Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 12:18 pm Post subject:

Read

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=27933&cat_id=1

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Sillyness all around, i hope people snap out of it quickly.

Dream_Merchant · Joined: 19 Jun 2006 Posts: 422 Location: Limassol

" ...and the Holy legions shall march through the charred remains of the fallen heathens and infidels unto the stairs of glory with their gaze fixed to the heavenly kingdom. Blessed be he who destroys the enemies of God and vanquishes the hordes of the befoul... "

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Dream_Merchant wrote: " ...and the Holy legions shall march through the charred remains of the fallen heathens and infidels unto the stairs of glory with their gaze fixed to the heavenly kingdom. Blessed be he who destroys the enemies of God and vanquishes the hordes of the befoul... "

:shock: :shock: :?: :!: :shock: :arrow: :!: :?: :shock: What the ..........?????

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:15 am Post subject:

brother wrote: Dream_Merchant wrote: " ...and the Holy legions shall march through the charred remains of the fallen heathens and infidels unto the stairs of glory with their gaze fixed to the heavenly kingdom. Blessed be he who destroys the enemies of God and vanquishes the hordes of the befoul... "

:shock: :shock: :?: :!: :shock: :arrow: :!: :?: :shock: What the ..........????? N

No worries my excellent brother. Dreamer is stoned out of his mind. 8)

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Xenos 2Fan wrote: brother wrote: Dream_Merchant wrote: " ...and the Holy legions shall march through the charred remains of the fallen heathens and infidels unto the stairs of glory with their gaze fixed to the heavenly kingdom. Blessed be he who destroys the enemies of God and vanquishes the hordes of the befoul... "

:shock: :shock: :?: :!: :shock: :arrow: :!: :?: :shock: What the ..........????? N

No worries my excellent brother. Dreamer is stoned out of his mind. 8)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

cypezokyli · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

heres the whole speech that the pope held.

http://www.cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=46474

on a whole i must admit that the man really has some knowledge, and it is really a speech worth reading!!

i am surprised, since i never expected such a good quality from a priest!!!

Mete · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 1150 Location: Boston

I think this whole drama episode shows how insecure and intolerant the majority of the Muslim world is.

Alexios · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 976

depurple wrote: Yes there are famous words from a song by Ozzie Osbourne and Black Sabbath from their Masters Of Reality Album:
Has the Pope gone too far with his comments about Mohammad or was he just reading from the Old scriptures without thinking what about the reprecussions:
My own opinion?
Ignore it the Pope is only him and in in GW Bush words we live in a democracy where you are allowed to express and say what you want:
BY freaking out it only adds to what the Pope said about Islam:

I remember when some Politician said that all Albanians are violent and crazy:
And the very next day the Albanians went on a rampage and burnt up the place and smashed people up:
The politician turned around and said: I told you there where crazy and you wouldn't listen:
So if the Moslem's start getting carried away you will play into the hands of some who look at Islam with fear:And we know who they are?
So don't give them a reason to say: I told you so!
cheers
There is an old saying:
The best medicine for a madman is silence!
PS Don't ask me what would I do if they said that about Jesus and Christianity?
It wouldn't bother me because religion is one of the factors I cant go back to wouldn't:

My father, for some reason he never told us, hated priests and especially the Cypriot church,calling them them all sorts of names, whilst on a political level he held the church responsible for the tragedies in Cyprus throughout history. When given the chance and deliberately so just to have a laugh, knowing how much this made my mother blow her top, he went on about Maria Magdalena being Jesus Christ's girlfriend!!!! :? :? This made my poor mother (a devout Orthodox Christian) go nuts!! She hasn't got the necessary education or knowledge which would have enabled her to sit down and have a theological discussion with him so her reply was that he would burn in hell for his blashemous behaviour!! :? On the other hand her sensitivity on the matter prevented her from ignoring the old man and fell in his trap over and over again!! So he called her a religious fanatic and had his good laugh......

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Alexios wrote: depurple wrote: Yes there are famous words from a song by Ozzie Osbourne and Black Sabbath from their Masters Of Reality Album:
Has the Pope gone too far with his comments about Mohammad or was he just reading from the Old scriptures without thinking what about the reprecussions:
My own opinion?
Ignore it the Pope is only him and in in GW Bush words we live in a democracy where you are allowed to express and say what you want:
BY freaking out it only adds to what the Pope said about Islam:

I remember when some Politician said that all Albanians are violent and crazy:
And the very next day the Albanians went on a rampage and burnt up the place and smashed people up:
The politician turned around and said: I told you there where crazy and you wouldn't listen:
So if the Moslem's start getting carried away you will play into the hands of some who look at Islam with fear:And we know who they are?
So don't give them a reason to say: I told you so!
cheers
There is an old saying:
The best medicine for a madman is silence!
PS Don't ask me what would I do if they said that about Jesus and Christianity?
It wouldn't bother me because religion is one of the factors I cant go back to wouldn't:

My father, for some reason he never told us, hated priests and especially the Cypriot church,calling them them all sorts of names, whilst on a political level he held the church responsible for the tragedies in Cyprus throughout history. When given the chance and deliberately so just to have a laugh, knowing how much this made my mother blow her top, he went on about Maria Magdalena being Jesus Christ's girlfriend!!!! :? :? This made my poor mother (a devout Orthodox Christian) go nuts!! She hasn't got the necessary education or knowledge which would have enabled her to sit down and have a theological discussion with him so her reply was that he would burn in hell for his blashemous behaviour!! :? On the other hand her sensitivity on the matter prevented her from ignoring the old man and fell in his trap over and over again!! So he called her a religious fanatic and had his good laugh......

:D :D :D :D

Alexios · Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 976

It's amazing how much there is to learn from our own microcosm Bro...If my mother was a muslim i am sure she would have reacted angrily to the Pontiff's comments...despite being a lovely old woman....What i mean to get through is that the best way some times is to ignore certain things..otherwise we prove DP's Politician on Albanians right i am afraid....We must also bear in mind how certain comments are "filtered" by the Mass Media and presented in a sensationalist manner in order to sell!! Over and over again, the media in Cyprus (on both sides) do the same thing, conveniently picking extracts from this speech or the other rarely presenting the whole picture or spirit of the speech so that according to their own beliefs and political placing, they pass to us the message they want to pass...

Khan · Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1092 Location: London

As the leader of the Catholic Church, he could have been more diplomatic and at least try to distance himself from the quote, but he did not, that is what offended so many people.

Besides, the Popes role in calling for Crusades against Islam was notably absent from his example of "his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

Mete · Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 1150 Location: Boston

I agree, Khan but the reaction of the Muslim world was not any better. Don't we have anything better to do than complain everytime someone says or does something negative against Islam?

cypezokyli · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

Khan wrote: As the leader of the Catholic Church, he could have been more diplomatic and at least try to distance himself from the quote, but he did not, that is what offended so many people.

Besides, the Popes role in calling for Crusades against Islam was notably absent from his example of "his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."

the quote imo, fitted just fine with the whole speech, and what the pope wanted to discuss and focus on. i honestly, can not believe that these fanatics are bringing me, to the point where i have to defend the pope.
:bash:

this idea, of not "insulting the islam" is becomin rediculous. it began attacking the foundations on which europe is based upon.

yesterday a new more absurd event took place in germany

Quote: Berlin's Deutsche Oper opera house is under fire for cancelling a controversial production of a Mozart opera which shows the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad, Jesus and Buddha. Politicians have condemned the cancellation as self-censorship and cowardice.

Scene from "Idomeneo" during a rehearsal in 2003: King Idomeneo (played by Charles Workmann) places the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad on a chair next to the head of Buddha.
The German government accused a Berlin opera house of "self-censorship" on Tuesday for cancelling performances of a Mozart opera because it was concerned about attacks by Islamists.

The Deutsche Oper, one of Berlin's three opera houses, was due to show a controversial production of Mozart's "Idomeneo" by director Hans Neuenfels in which the severed heads of the Prophet Muhammad, Jesus and Buddha are placed on four chairs.

Deutsche Opera manager Kirsten Harms pulled the opera, due be performed four times in November, after receiving a warning from police. "We got alerted by the police that all the press publicity surrounding the play would severely heighten the security risk to this opera," she told a news conference.

After its premiere at the Deutsche Oper in December 2003, the Neuenfels production prompted shouts of protest from the audience but reviewers interpreted it as a radical critique of religion and religious war. First performed in 1781, the opera set in ancient Greece after the Trojan War deals with human resistance to making sacrifices to the gods.

News of the cancellation drew strong criticism from the government and the main political parties. Culture Minister Bernd Neumann said: "If concern about possible protests already leads to self-censorship then the democratic culture of free speech is in danger."

The Berlin police department said it had analysed security risks resulting from the performance in light of the worldwide protests that followed the publication of Muhammad cartoons in Danish newspapers earlier this year.

"We told the opera that possible disturbances relating to the performance in its planned form couldn't be ruled out," the spokesman said.

.....

The head of Germany's Islamic Council, Ali Kizilkaya, welcomed the opera's decision, saying it was taking account of Muslim sensitivities.

The cancellation comes ahead of a government-sponsored conference on Wednesday aimed at promoting dialogue with Germany's 3.2 million Muslims.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1518,439393,00.html

this was the main topic today in all german newspapers, and thank god all of the columnists were discudted by this idea of (self)sencoring art, just because it might provoke some people , with "sensitivities".

if art is not provoking, then one of its reasons of existance ceases to be present.
i do hope the play will finally take place.