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[depurple]

There is a controversy over 9/11 and we are coming up to that date again:
So let me know who do you think was really behind it?
There is always more and more info coming out all the time:It it another JFK?
Crikey someone must know?
As in this case again it is the poor and innocent who has paid the price!

[cypezokyli]

eleftherotypia yesterday refers to a number of american conspiracy theories, that are becoming popular in the US. by principle i dont believe in conspiracy theories, but as a member of the congres sais about them : i dont want to comment on them as many appear to be phantasy, but some do raise some interesting questions that need to be answered.

some of those questions (rational or not) :
why did WTC 7 (what was that?) which was not hit by a plane collapsed as well ?
is it scientifically justifiable such buildings like the twin towers to collapse ?
how come the black boxes were completely destroyed by the collission but the passport of the terrorist was found intact ?
how can the inneficiency of FAA and NORAD be explained ?
etc etc

http://www.enet.gr/online/online_text/c=111,dt=09.09.2006,id=79780884,96052628

books , moovements, and internetsites mentioned in the article are :

books:
Crossing the Rubicon,
The New Pearl Harbor
Synthetic Terror
Rebuilding American's Defenses
The 9/11 Commission Report
L'Effroyable Imposture -in french
9/11 in Plane Site (also from a french author)

documentaries :
"loose change"
"Painful Deceptions»
«Confronting the Evidence»
, «9/11 in Plane Site»
, «9/11 Eyewitness»

tv show : The Power Hour


moovements :
9/11 truth

on the web :
serendipity.li,
plague puppy.net,
και Killtown
http://www.911truth.org/

some of those theories appear to be contradicting each other.

anyone interested may proceed. personally , the cyppro, consumes already enough of my time for me to get seriously involved in learning more about 9/11.

[thebrix]

cypezokyli wrote: eleftherotypia yesterday refers to a number of american conspiracy theories, that are becoming popular in the US. by principle i dont believe in conspiracy theories, but as a member of the congres sais about them : i dont want to comment on them as many appear to be phantasy, but some do raise some interesting questions that need to be answered.

some of those questions (rational or not) :
why did WTC 7 (what was that?) which was not hit by a plane collapsed as well ?
is it scientifically justifiable such buildings like the twin towers to collapse ?
how come the black boxes were completely destroyed by the collission but the passport of the terrorist was found intact ?
how can the inneficiency of FAA and NORAD be explained ?
etc etc

On the last, these truths we hold to be self-evident; it never ceases to amaze me the (often completely misplaced) faith people have in government and the efficiency and competence thereof.

On the others, literally nothing like this had happened before; nobody, to my knowledge, had ever tested the strength of a building by making a full-size replica then trying to knock it down and, even if they had, they would not have conducted the test in the middle of a city! So a lot of "unexplained" effects were probably never even conceived of before.

There is surprisingly poor understanding of large-scale phenomena, even common ones such as hurricanes and lightning. If that is the case now, things were worse in the 1960s. I believe that the WTC was built to withstand being hit by a large aeroplane, based on the best theories at the time ... !

[cypezokyli]

thebrix wrote:
On the last, these truths we hold to be self-evident; it never ceases to amaze me the (often completely misplaced) faith people have in government and the efficiency and competence thereof.

On the others, literally nothing like this had happened before; nobody, to my knowledge, had ever tested the strength of a building by making a full-size replica then trying to knock it down and, even if they had, they would not have conducted the test in the middle of a city! So a lot of "unexplained" effects were probably never even conceived of before.

There is surprisingly poor understanding of large-scale phenomena, even common ones such as hurricanes and lightning. If that is the case now, things were worse in the 1960s. I believe that the WTC was built to withstand being hit by a large aeroplane, based on the best theories at the time ... !

i tottaly agree with you the brix.

the ability of the CIA or any other US security organisation has been heavily overestimated. certainly they had some sucesses, but also a number of amazing failures. certainly nobody believes today that oswald (or at least alone) killed JFK. but, even that , how far can it be considered a "success". as a secret agency, when overtaking a "dirty" job, they would have succeded if they managed to leave no evidence behind. and on the JFK case apparently , they left a lot of such evidence behind.
on the other hand, numerous attempts to kill castro , or even worse their complete inability to predict the collapse of the USSR, seriously questions the "conspiracy / and predicting abilities" of the CIA.
but i guess we enjoy blaming them for everything. the myth, around their abilities is simply amazing!

moreoever. can anyone imagine, how an article would be welcomed in the press, predicting two planes hitting the WTC, prior to 9/11 ?
most probably, people would laugh at the author, and would give more chance to a UFO attack on earth. so, the surprise of any of the US security departments, is rather human rather than a pre-planned conspiracy.

[city]

cypezokyli wrote: moreoever. can anyone imagine, how an article would be welcomed in the press, predicting two planes hitting the WTC, prior to 9/11 ?
most probably, people would laugh at the author, and would give more chance to a UFO attack on earth. so, the surprise of any of the US security departments, is rather human rather than a pre-planned conspiracy.

there have been warnings from Israel and also from German intelligence that something like that was planned for the very near future. Using passenger planes to hit prominent buildings on US soil. If I'm not mistaken Israel citizens even received a warning for the date in question.

Moreover it wouldn't have been the first time the US gov or intelligence was planning something like that. During the Cuba crisis they had plans to make a passenger plane 'disappear' and blame it on Castro. The president objected and the scenario disappeared in a drawer (maybe ready to be taken out again at a later stage)...

[Dhavlos]

I remember hearing a conspiracy theory about the pentagon,...that infact, the plane did not hit the pentagon, or it was only a small plane. Apparently, some pictures show that there was only a small hole where the plane 'hit' and that a plane would have made a larger explosion. Also, that there was no wings of the plane found ? which is odd...

[cypezokyli]

funny, but i bought the spiegel (even though i know city doesnot like then)today on my way to berlin. the spiegels english and german edition, have a special report on 9/11 , in practise, giving answers to all conspiracy theories that are out there.

[depurple]

I also heard that:
1:The Planes had an extra bit of equipment attached to them like a guided missile or somethings:
2: 5000 Jews worked in the WTC and only one died because he never got the TEXT message his phone was switch off:
3:That explosives where attached to the WTC when they had to renovate it after some dude put a bomb in the basement a few months before:
Also boys don't forget to see the documentary on Lennon & the CIA/FBI in a few months:
Crikey Batman!

[thebrix]

Dhavlos wrote: I remember hearing a conspiracy theory about the pentagon,...that infact, the plane did not hit the pentagon, or it was only a small plane. Apparently, some pictures show that there was only a small hole where the plane 'hit' and that a plane would have made a larger explosion. Also, that there was no wings of the plane found ? which is odd...

This is all down to a common error - the belief that an aeroplane is made of the same materials as a drainpipe. If it were it would never get off the ground!

Aeroplanes are made of light but strong materials, which might not even be metals in the future (there is a lot of work being done on advanced plastics). They are kept rigid by the internal pressure (fuselage) or their shape (wings); it took a lot of effort to work this out, as per the infamous Comet crashes (where the materials were strong enough but the seams weren't, so they burst open in flight).

I remember once holding a wing of a UAV. Although about 10 feet long it was so light I could tuck it under my arm!

[thebrix]

depurple wrote:
2: 5000 Jews worked in the WTC and only one died because he never got the TEXT message his phone was switch off:

This is the strangest one of the lot. How anyone could believe that is almost beyond comprehension in a world of mailing lists, blogs, text messages etc. etc.! (If there were only a couple of people told, never mind 5,000, it would have leaked out and been one of the biggest news stories for years ...)

[repulsewarrior]

Here is a really good one on the subject of 9-1-1, that I like, but it is about the results, the winners and the losers....

http://topics.developmentgateway.org/iraq/rc/ItemDetail.do?itemId=1073013

(Click: View this resource), at the bottom of the summary. May I suggest that you save Development Gateway with your favourites because it is a very valuable resource.

[cypezokyli]

another website i received today :roll:

http://911physics.atspace.com/Pages/WTC12.htm

some people obviously spend hours on the topic