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[depurple]

Hi People:
Got on to this web site that sells Olive Trees in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus:
But the real question is Who's Olive trees are they selling?
I don't think they are Turkish Cypriot Olive trees because most of the Turkish Cypriot I know would not sell the leaves: They love there trees!
So I wonder who they really belong to?

It must be one of those lets get rich quick schemes using the misfortunes of other again!
What will they think off NEXT?
Selling the lemons Trees?
What about selling what they own for a change?
cheers

www.olivetreeproject.com

[erolz]

Calm down DP.

What this man is trying to do is SAVE olive trees. Many many olive trees are being destoyed for construction of both infrastructure and building developments. This project seeks to remove and replant these olive trees under threat from such development rather than just have them bulldozed and burnt as they currently are. He does not care of the 'ethnicity' of the olive tree (or its ownership now or pre 74) - he is just trying to save what olive trees he can.

[depurple]

Thanks Erolz I just thought it was another one of those get rich quick schemes they seem to have on both sides of the Green line:
Talking about Olive trees: Let me tell you a story:
When my grandfather bought his legal land in Lapithos in 1972 with Aussie money there where 120 Olive trees on the property: The first year he went to cut the olives to make oil and the man who sold him the land said what the hell are you doing?
He said cutting Olives from his trees: The Man said what trees: My GF said the trees on the land he bought: The guy said YES you bought the land BUT not the trees:
My GF found out that there where separate titles for the damn trees:
So you could have a tree on someone Else's property: Amazing:
He eventually bought the trees as well: I still have titles to those trees:
Did the Turkish Cypriot have titles to their trees?
Let me know?
I wounder if they had titles to the water as well!
cheers

[repulsewarrior]

My Auntie, (great aunt) has an olive tree in the middle of her coutyard, about 450 years old, which was cut down for the wood and dug out for the roots. The neighbours say it was none of them, but officials from Turkey, who have since returned.

[depurple]

When I went to Lapithos I saw some people selling ancient artifacts like Mills Stones and old Columns so maybe they want to protect these as well!
cheers

[sadik]

depurple wrote: Thanks Erolz I just thought it was another one of those get rich quick schemes they seem to have on both sides of the Green line:
Talking about Olive trees: Let me tell you a story:
When my grandfather bought his legal land in Lapithos in 1972 with Aussie money there where 120 Olive trees on the property: The first year he went to cut the olives to make oil and the man who sold him the land said what the hell are you doing?
He said cutting Olives from his trees: The Man said what trees: My GF said the trees on the land he bought: The guy said YES you bought the land BUT not the trees:
My GF found out that there where separate titles for the damn trees:
So you could have a tree on someone Else's property: Amazing:
He eventually bought the trees as well: I still have titles to those trees:
Did the Turkish Cypriot have titles to their trees?
Let me know?
I wounder if they had titles to the water as well!
cheers

If I'm not wrong, in the British times, they were giving titles to olive trees planted on public property, such as on the mountains, to encourage the planting of olive trees. I think each tree can have different ownership.

[cypezokyli]

and if i am not mistaken the olive trees were sometimes included in the proikosyfona (the wedding deals)

so, one along with the woman could get a couple of olive trees (rizes tis ellias) :lol: :lol:

i heard that they were also used to sympolize the borders of a persons field. (an olive tree in each corner) perhaps alexios knows better about this

[Cahit]

In the good old days, the law, to encourage people to graft onto wild olives growing in remote areas, would give ownership of the grafted trees to the person doing the grafting. This was put on the title deeds.

This law was recently repelled and there are no longer any people grafting onto wild olive trees. I don't know if the people who owned the trees on someone elses land still do or not.

Pity, the great fire in 1995 in Kyrenia didn't kill thousands of olive trees, but destroyed their trunk, branches but not their roots! These roots are still growing and each trunkless tree now has upto 10 wild viable branches growing. But this time, no one is taking the time to reclaim them from the wild.

OTP has permission from the Forest dept in Kyrenia to remove up to 1,000 wild branches from the mountains. The purpose was to identify the best olive trees on the island (via some beauty competition or research) and to graft onto these. But we didn't get the SAVE grant we applied for and this idea still remains one of many tasks "still to do".

Incidently, the vast majority of olive trees we have in Cyprus were produced in exactly this same way; the villager would cut out a wild tree from the mountains, take it to the village, plant it, grow it and then graft onto it.

So there's alot more to our olive trees than meets our 21st century eyes!! :D


depurple wrote: Thanks Erolz I just thought it was another one of those get rich quick schemes they seem to have on both sides of the Green line:
Talking about Olive trees: Let me tell you a story:
When my grandfather bought his legal land in Lapithos in 1972 with Aussie money there where 120 Olive trees on the property: The first year he went to cut the olives to make oil and the man who sold him the land said what the hell are you doing?
He said cutting Olives from his trees: The Man said what trees: My GF said the trees on the land he bought: The guy said YES you bought the land BUT not the trees:
My GF found out that there where separate titles for the damn trees:
So you could have a tree on someone Else's property: Amazing:
He eventually bought the trees as well: I still have titles to those trees:
Did the Turkish Cypriot have titles to their trees?
Let me know?
I wounder if they had titles to the water as well!
cheers

[Cahit]

City, thanks for the reminder.

I was wondering why I posted an olive tree message into the Cyprus Problem topic.

Olive trees belong to no one but the earth....they employ people to look after them; Greeks, Turks, Maronites, Armenians and today even the British!

And for the hundreds of creatures which live off of it, does "ownership" really matter?

Cahit
www.olivetreeproject.com




depurple wrote: Thanks Erolz I just thought it was another one of those get rich quick schemes they seem to have on both sides of the Green line:
Talking about Olive trees: Let me tell you a story:
When my grandfather bought his legal land in Lapithos in 1972 with Aussie money there where 120 Olive trees on the property: The first year he went to cut the olives to make oil and the man who sold him the land said what the hell are you doing?
He said cutting Olives from his trees: The Man said what trees: My GF said the trees on the land he bought: The guy said YES you bought the land BUT not the trees:
My GF found out that there where separate titles for the damn trees:
So you could have a tree on someone Else's property: Amazing:
He eventually bought the trees as well: I still have titles to those trees:
Did the Turkish Cypriot have titles to their trees?
Let me know?
I wounder if they had titles to the water as well!
cheers [/QUOTE]

[Alexios]

cypezokyli wrote: and if i am not mistaken the olive trees were sometimes included in the proikosyfona (the wedding deals)

so, one along with the woman could get a couple of olive trees (rizes tis ellias) :lol: :lol:

i heard that they were also used to sympolize the borders of a persons field. (an olive tree in each corner) perhaps alexios knows better about this

Yes i have actually seen old proikosymfona (dowery agreements) where trees were given as dowery to people's doughters..as well as animals, sheets,boots,chickens,farm tools etc. The problem with trees was that, often, the father would give say the trees in a field to one child(usually the doughter) and the field itself , to another child.(tree kocans were also issued by the DLO) This was at a time where say 10 olive trees were as valuable as a donum of agricultural land!!! So some times if the 2 children were not in good terms, the land owner would not allow the tree owner to step on his land to do whatever needed with the trees, so hell broke out!!! Here is a usual case where the tourkopoullos would intervene....:)

Yes, trees were used to mark land borders some times.

Generally, the old Cypriot had a much bigger respect for trees, not because they had a better enviromental consiousness than people of today, but simply because trees were a much bigger source of income.....

[brother]

Have to say that this thread has so far been enlighting in terms of history and olive tree's, keep it coming. :wink:

[repulsewarrior]

Thank-you all, because if we care so much for our trees, then we can care for each other...and that is very hopeful. I do not consider the ownership of trees, but that they are a privelege to know them.

[Cyprus rules!]

Has anyone noticed how some people put olive trees in the middle of the pavement? My yiayia has them slap bang in the middle of the pavement in front of her house...and although they (The olive trees that is..) look very nice, the pavements hell to try and walk on...so you end up walking in the middle of the Road...

Random I know, but I was just wandering... :)

[Cahit]

That's very true. All sorts of trees are planted right in the middle of the pavement, where I'm sure one day they will interfere with the underground pipes/cabling. It's a stupid place to put the trees and yes, I regret, this will be the sensible reason why they will be chopped down one day.
:(


Cyprus rules! wrote: Has anyone noticed how some people put olive trees in the middle of the pavement? My yiayia has them slap bang in the middle of the pavement in front of her house...and although they (The olive trees that is..) look very nice, the pavements hell to try and walk on...so you end up walking in the middle of the Road...

Random I know, but I was just wandering... :)