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Kifeas

“Politis” Greek Cypriot newspaper today (30/08/05) provides a very short news piece of an article that was published in yesterdays “Yeni Duzen” Turkish Cypriot newspaper, regarding a research by a Turkish genetics engineer, Erol Baisal, who claims that he contacted a research about 15 years ago and found that the DNA genes of Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots are very close, almost identical between them and certainly much more close than the corresponding genes of the mainland Greeks and Turks. He also mentions that he presented this research to Mr. Rauf Denktash and Mr. Eroglou who conveniently locked it into their drawers and asked the scientist not say anything about it.

Does anyone have read this article from Yeni Duzen and could possibly give us some more insight as to what has been written?

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

I will check it out if i find the article, if you have a link please post it kifeas.

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

This is the link for the article

http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/?newsid=7146&category=3

Kifeas · Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 11:52 am Post subject:

brother wrote: This is the link for the article

http://www.yeniduzengazetesi.com/?newsid=7146&category=3

Unfortunately my Turkish is not so advanced yet. Would you be so kind and translate it for us brother? I know it seems a long article and thus a good resume of it would do fine too!

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Rough but Accurate Translation of article:

In 1990 samples from 116 Turkish Cypriot, 303 Greek Cypriot, 235 mainland turks and 174 mainland greeks were tested in the US by professor Huisman.

Genetic illness and DNA expert Dr. Erol Baysal with the assistance of english, turkish, cypriot and greek experts conducted the work, and found that the Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot DNA was very close.

Even though the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot see the mainland as there genetic source they are very far apart and also very different and that certain codes in the DNA which can only be found in cypriots was conclusive proof that Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot were the only ones that have this DNA.

Even though it was always assumed that Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot were close this showed they were much closer than could be anticipated.

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

The article goes on about how this work was published in various magazines and then talks about who the people are that conducted this research, a very good article and thanks kifeas for bringing it to our attention.

erolz · Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 4195 Location: Kyrenia / Girne

I have to say this has been my understanding (that Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot are geneticaly closer to each other than either of their respective motherlands) for a long time now. Maybe this understanding is linked to this man's work, I do not know? Just looking at the incedent rate of the genetic disease thalassimia in Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot populations compared with the same in Greek and Turkish populations gives very strong (circumstantial) evidence that we are geneticaly closer as Cypriots than we are to either of our respective motherlands.

detailer · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 473 Location: UK

Personally, I don't think that genetic "closeness" is very important. The important thing is whether we are close politically and socially. What I feel is important for me.

Note: Although this topic has good a will and tries to prove the closeness between Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot, we shouldnt' forget that biggest disasters for humanity happened because of "genetic evaluation". It is not a good starting point imo.

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Quote: we shouldnt' forget that biggest disasters for humanity happened because of "genetic evaluation". It is not a good starting point imo.

What are you talking about here.

boomerang · Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 1133 Location: Melbourne

erolz wrote: I have to say this has been my understanding (that Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot are geneticaly closer to each other than either of their respective motherlands) for a long time now. Maybe this understanding is linked to this man's work, I do not know? Just looking at the incedent rate of the genetic disease thalassimia in Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot populations compared with the same in Greek and Turkish populations gives very strong (circumstantial) evidence that we are geneticaly closer as Cypriots than we are to either of our respective motherlands.

Erol do you know what this means?...It means that you converted from Christianity to Islam...hahahahahahaha...how about converting back

detailer · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 473 Location: UK

brother wrote: Quote: we shouldnt' forget that biggest disasters for humanity happened because of "genetic evaluation". It is not a good starting point imo.

What are you talking about here.

nazis

detailer · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 473 Location: UK

boomerang wrote: erolz wrote: I have to say this has been my understanding (that Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot are geneticaly closer to each other than either of their respective motherlands) for a long time now. Maybe this understanding is linked to this man's work, I do not know? Just looking at the incedent rate of the genetic disease thalassimia in Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot populations compared with the same in Greek and Turkish populations gives very strong (circumstantial) evidence that we are geneticaly closer as Cypriots than we are to either of our respective motherlands.

Erol do you know what this means?...It means that you converted from Christianity to Islam...hahahahahahaha...how about converting back

Maybe you were converted to islam then back to christianity already. :lol:

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Quote: Erol do you know what this means?...It means that you converted from Christianity to Islam...hahahahahahaha...how about converting back

How about we just ban religion altogether :shock:

boomerang · Joined: 20 Aug 2005 Posts: 1133 Location: Melbourne

detailer wrote: boomerang wrote: erolz wrote: I have to say this has been my understanding (that Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot are geneticaly closer to each other than either of their respective motherlands) for a long time now. Maybe this understanding is linked to this man's work, I do not know? Just looking at the incedent rate of the genetic disease thalassimia in Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot populations compared with the same in Greek and Turkish populations gives very strong (circumstantial) evidence that we are geneticaly closer as Cypriots than we are to either of our respective motherlands.

Erol do you know what this means?...It means that you converted from Christianity to Islam...hahahahahahaha...how about converting back

Maybe you were converted to islam then back to christianity already. :lol:

Maybe...but why not follow my lead?...and come back where you belong... :lol:

-mikkie2- · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 603

This is an argument I have always used to suggest that Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot are one and the same thing. The fact we suffer from the same gentic illnesses is a very strong indicator of this.

In addition, you put a bunch of Greek Cypriot's and Turkish Cypriot's together and I would bet it would be very difficult to tell them appart.

Of course currently, I wonder how much the true Turkish Cypriot population has been diluted by settlers from the mainland...

It also does indicate that the majority of Turkish Cypriot's as we know them today were probably decended from the Christian population of Cyprus which subsequently converted to Islam. It is well known that it was economically difficult for many Christians to live under Ottoman rule, unless they converted to Islam. I can understand why this was so hard for Rauf Denktas to digest!