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FAMAGUSTA
Joined: 03 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Won't go to toilet without asking the Generals! |
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Quote: Gul reveals that an admiral participated in the Turkish delegation during the Cyprus talks in Burgenstock
Columnist Murat Yetkin publishes in Turkish daily RADIKAL newspaper (15.06.06) statements by the Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs, Abdullah Gul under the title “Gul: We are satisfied with the support of the army regarding the EU”.
Referring to the relations of the Turkish government with the army and the debates on the issue this period Mr Gul said:
“The support of the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) on the issues of the EU target and the reforms was and still is very important. Contrary to what some people think, it would be difficult for the reforms to be conducted without the support of the TAF. The fact that the military has strategic visions has a share in this. They understand the future of the world, the future of Turkey and where the interest of Turkey is.
Let me give you an example. The change of Turkey’s policy in Cyprus has been possible with the contribution of the Turkish Armed Forces. Then we had given definite instructions both to our diplomats and our other colleagues: ‘Before making any step let us have a contact with the General Staff and let us determine together which step will be made’.
Because, there may be different views between the institutions. This is natural. Instead of forming our views separately and try to unify them afterwards, we thought that it would be better if we tried to create a common line from the beginning. And really this is what happened.
Look, one of the most important meetings on the Cyprus issue was the meeting in the beginning of 2003 in Burgenstock. It has been decisive from the point of view of the developments that followed. Few people know this, but we had an admiral assigned by our General Staff in our delegation at this meeting. In every stage, every suggestion was made in contact with the General Staff thanks to this admiral.
There are some people who want to relate the support we take from the TAF only to the chief of the General Staff General Hilmi Ozkok. This is not true. We know that we have the support we get as an institution. To tell you the truth, we would like to have the support we get from the Armed Forces in the EU process from some civilians and civilian institutions as well. We would expect some civilian authorities and institutions to support more the EU procedure”.
Turkish military strategic vision....the protection of Tcypriots!
Turkish politicians won't go to toilet if they don't ask their generals first.....otherwise :bond: |
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Khan
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| That is how Turkey is, not every nation has the same institutions. Britain does not even have a written cosntitution, that is the historical legacy of Britain and what best suits them. Likewise Turkey was liberated and founded by soldiers, and now is safeguarded by them, that is the culture of the nation. |
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pg
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| Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Perhaps the TAF could also provide some strategic vision to help out on the issue of the EU constitution... |
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Bullika
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:24 am Post subject: Re: Won't go to toilet without asking the Generals! |
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FAMAGUSTA wrote: Quote: Gul reveals that an admiral participated in the Turkish delegation during the Cyprus talks in Burgenstock
Columnist Murat Yetkin publishes in Turkish daily RADIKAL newspaper (15.06.06) statements by the Turkish Minister of Foreign Affairs, Abdullah Gul under the title “Gul: We are satisfied with the support of the army regarding the EU”.
Referring to the relations of the Turkish government with the army and the debates on the issue this period Mr Gul said:
“The support of the Turkish Armed Forces (TAF) on the issues of the EU target and the reforms was and still is very important. Contrary to what some people think, it would be difficult for the reforms to be conducted without the support of the TAF. The fact that the military has strategic visions has a share in this. They understand the future of the world, the future of Turkey and where the interest of Turkey is.
Let me give you an example. The change of Turkey’s policy in Cyprus has been possible with the contribution of the Turkish Armed Forces. Then we had given definite instructions both to our diplomats and our other colleagues: ‘Before making any step let us have a contact with the General Staff and let us determine together which step will be made’.
Because, there may be different views between the institutions. This is natural. Instead of forming our views separately and try to unify them afterwards, we thought that it would be better if we tried to create a common line from the beginning. And really this is what happened.
Look, one of the most important meetings on the Cyprus issue was the meeting in the beginning of 2003 in Burgenstock. It has been decisive from the point of view of the developments that followed. Few people know this, but we had an admiral assigned by our General Staff in our delegation at this meeting. In every stage, every suggestion was made in contact with the General Staff thanks to this admiral.
There are some people who want to relate the support we take from the TAF only to the chief of the General Staff General Hilmi Ozkok. This is not true. We know that we have the support we get as an institution. To tell you the truth, we would like to have the support we get from the Armed Forces in the EU process from some civilians and civilian institutions as well. We would expect some civilian authorities and institutions to support more the EU procedure”.
Turkish military strategic vision....the protection of Tcypriots!
Turkish politicians won't go to toilet if they don't ask their generals first.....otherwise :bond:
to be fair things have improved a little. they can go to the toilet, but only for a number 1, number 2s require special permission |
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erolz
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:42 am Post subject: |
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| To me it remains to be seen to what degree the Turkish Cypriot community could defy the wishes of Turkey. It remains to be seen because the Republic of Cyprus has failed to create a realistic senario where the Turkish Cypriot community WANTS to defy the wishes of Turkey. |
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Khan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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erolz wrote: To me it remains to be seen to what degree the Turkish Cypriot community could defy the wishes of Turkey. It remains to be seen because the Republic of Cyprus has failed to create a realistic senario where the Turkish Cypriot community WANTS to defy the wishes of Turkey.
I think that scenario did exist in the run up to EU acession, since then, what sign have Turkish Cypriot's had to suggest it is Greek Cypriot's and EU who have their best interest at heart, and not Turkey? None. |
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100%cypriot
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erolz wrote: To me it remains to be seen to what degree the Turkish Cypriot community could defy the wishes of Turkey. It remains to be seen because the Republic of Cyprus has failed to create a realistic senario where the Turkish Cypriot community WANTS to defy the wishes of Turkey.
Sorry Erol but do you think that biting the hand that saved you is a wise thing?
I think The army is here to stay under the guise of NATIONAL SECURITY
If they were to leave under a cloud, would they be prepared to come to the rescue if another problem arised , so it is never a good thing to allienate your self from your biggest ally.
I feel that the Turkish millatary does have a right to put some input into the equation but primarily the word of the T/C government should have final say. But that is becoming more and more difficult every day due to the south not recognising it.
Regards to everyone on the forum |
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boomerang
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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erolz wrote: To me it remains to be seen to what degree the Turkish Cypriot community could defy the wishes of Turkey. It remains to be seen because the Republic of Cyprus has failed to create a realistic senario where the Turkish Cypriot community WANTS to defy the wishes of Turkey.
Erol I don't think, today, the Turkish Cypriots can defy Turkey, regardless as to what the Republic of Cyprus creates...lets be fair about this... |
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brother
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| Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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boomerang wrote: erolz wrote: To me it remains to be seen to what degree the Turkish Cypriot community could defy the wishes of Turkey. It remains to be seen because the Republic of Cyprus has failed to create a realistic senario where the Turkish Cypriot community WANTS to defy the wishes of Turkey.
Erol I don't think, today, the Turkish Cypriots can defy Turkey, regardless as to what the Republic of Cyprus creates...lets be fair about this...
I think they can and will under the right conditions. :wink: |
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