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[depurple]

We can not even agree on a flag:
We can not even agree on a national anthem:
We can not agree if we are Cypriots or NOT:
We can agree on compensation for properties:

And we are REALLY trying to find a SOLUTION to the Cyprus problem?
I don't think so! Most of you must be bloody joking?

Being an outsider like (Don says) it looks like most have had very good teachers mostly their parents and that is a recipe for disaster and a NON Solution:

Most look only at the past atrocities: Your to blame NO your to blame:
Most look at what is happening with Turkey and the EU:
Most look at what at Greece and ENOSIS:
Most don't trust the other:

It is 2006 for God Sake!!!!!!!
SO WHY doesn't anybody look at what will happen to our children's future living in a crazy mixed up divided Cyprus:

Eric is caught up in a 1974 freeze frame:
Other want everything to stay the same BUT also be part of the EU:
They want Turkey in the EU but still occupy a EU country:
Other want Greek flags to fly on the island:
Boys sit back at take a serious look at each other and from what I have seen it is all one big JOKE!

Sorry to say that BUT if you can live in a foreign land as one nation BUT can not live in Cyprus as free and equal people in harmony then Man you guys are just kidding each other about a solution and really wasting everybody valuable time:
So therefore let the solution come by itself and let the EU and the UN do its job and don't get involved because most of us live in a backward warped enviroment influenced by our parents and not our own independent opinions: We cant help with our way of thinking we are actually hindering any chance of any solution with out of date views:
Jury I rest my case:
PS: The never ending Story makes more sense than the bull I read on the forum about solutions to the Cyprus problem:
Amen:

[Xenos 2Fan]

Reality sux huh?

[Viewpoint]

Are we proving Denktas senior and Ecevit right? The solution happened in 1974? Why not accept what is looking us in the face that we will not and cannot trust each other and therefore we are unable to make concessions that would unite us.

[Eric Dayi]

dp, most of us are not stuck in the past as you say, I certainly am not and from what I've seen are none of the other Turkish Cypriot's either. If anything it's the Greek Cypriot's who are stuck in 1974 and refuse to remember the years between 1963 and 1974, all they remember is what happened in 1974 and that's it.

Most of us Turkish Cypriot's start at 1963 and why it started and look at what has happened since then and what is happening at present in the Greek South and see no difference apart from there being no killing of the innocent. We see things as an extension of what started in 1963. We all see that the same as in 1963 the Greek Cypriots still do not want to share power with us Turkish Cypriots and the same as in 1963 the Greek Cypriots still want to be the sole rulers/owner of Cyprus and us Turkish Cypriot's as a second class minority. nothing has changed on the Greek side and they still insist on the same thing as they did back in 1963.

The Turkish Cypriot's are not the ones who are stuck in 1974, it's the Greek Cypriot's because unlike Turkish Cypriot's who voted for Yes to unification you Greek Cypriots voted No. That proved that you Greek Cypriot's do not want peace and unification if it means sharing power with us. If we Turkish Cypriot's agreed to become second class citizens in an all Greek Cyprus the CypProb would be solved within minutes not hours.

I have tried to explain to you that I am not stuck in 1963/1974 or in any other period in time but you for some reason refuse to understand it.

[Eric Dayi]

Xenos 2Fan wrote: Reality sux huh?

dp, is the third person I see in this forum coming to terms with the reality. This forum is proving to be a teaching/learning forum after all. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Eric Dayi]

Viewpoint wrote: Are we proving Denktas senior and Ecevit right? The solution happened in 1974? Why not accept what is looking us in the face that we will not and cannot trust each other and therefore we are unable to make concessions that would unite us.

They knew all along that Denktash sen. and Ecevit was right they are just starting to admit it to themselves.

[Birkibrisli]

To all Greek Cypriots:

When are you guys and girls going to realise that it is all your fault?
It was always your fault and will always be your fault.
Didn't you realise 3000 years ago that you chose the wrong place to call your home?Couldn't you tell that come 1571 there would be an Ottoman Emperor who loved his vino so much that he wouldn't agree to pay the price you asked and would want to invade and conquer you instead?
That was a big mistake.The second big mistake was not converting to Islam and becoming a Turk.The Ottomans were not turks but that is beside the point.The Europeans called them Turks because they thought that would be an insult.You were silly enough to believe that it would be terrible to become a Turk.That was your other big mistake,one of very many.You had another chance to convert and become Turkish in 1878. When the British came you shoul've joined the other Turks on the island and fight the poms on the Beaches and on Land...You didn't realise how good you had it under the Ottomans,so you welcomed the British with open arms.Then in 1923 you had another chance to show your loyalty to the new founded Turkish republic,but you chose to believe the British who promised you self determination if and when they left.That was another big mistake.Then in 1950s someone thought of the big idea,and convinced you you would be better off if you united with Greece which you wrongly believed was your motherland.So you stuffed up the bigest chance that you ever got in your entire history:To share power with your former masters in an independent republic.In 1960 we were prepared to give you equality finally but you spat in our face.Then you had your biggest chance to redeem yourselves in 1974. But you refused to elieve that the Turkish army was coming to save you from Sampson and those EOKA B thugs.Then in 2004 you had the choice of abandoniong the only state you ever had all to yourselves in your entire history,and join us in a BBF called Annanland.You really stuffed that up big time.You deserve everything you get.It is all your fault.You never knew how to convert to Islam and become a good Turk.So now you suffer with the rest of your European partners.We are going down singing "One Turk is equal to the whole world".This feeling you will never have.It serves you right.It was all your fault. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[repulsewarrior]

Hello? The issue starts before 1963, in 1960, an island with a population indigenous to it, gained a limited sovereignty in the creation of a Republic.

What, changed is our membership in the EU. On that basis, the leader of the Government, presently Mr.TP, has the credibility to say he leads our State.

brisli, you sound like your idea of calm is the status quo. Really too bad, alot of everything, about the Ottoman Empire, including the treatment of Arabs, and the ruination of their culture can be discussed as well.

The facts are that Turkey populated the island as a prison colony at first. Their other efforts at populating the island failed as well. However, so long as the Cypriots paid their taxes, their subjugation, as in the rest of the empire, was left to continue caring for themselves.

1963, much confusion and saddness. Greek and Turkish extremists seek to take arms, in hostile aggression against all enemies, wounding the peoples' solidarity, and the creation of displacements and enclaves.

1974, same Greek elements, fanatics without consideration, engaged in conspiricy, with others to overthrow a Government which threatened to end, forever, their desire. Welcomed, and accepted, as the interlocuror best able to end the consequence of these misguided endeavours, Turkey intervened.

What followed, quite simply, is an all too familiar pattern, to those who dabble in the history of Imperialists, in which Turkey remains unrivalled.

[Crash Test Dummy]

Birkibrisli wrote: To all Greek Cypriots:

Didn't you realise 3000 years ago that you chose the wrong place to call your home?Couldn't you tell that come 1571 there would be an Ottoman Emperor who loved his vino so much that he wouldn't agree to pay the price you asked and would want to invade and conquer you instead?
That was a big mistake.The second big mistake was not converting to Islam and becoming a Turk..............................................................................................So now you suffer with the rest of your European partners.We are going down singing "One Turk is equal to the whole world".This feeling you will never have.It serves you right.It was all your fault. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


First of all this is the most far fetched idea ever concieved. You blame todays problems on a series of decisions 3 thousand years ago.

And what about the Turks, Brits and Americans? Are the blame free?

[The Cypriot]

I believe Birkibrisli was being ironic but perhaps you missed it.

[Crash Test Dummy]

The Cypriot wrote: I believe Birkibrisli was being ironic but perhaps you missed it.

:redface: :redface: obviously so.

[repulsewarrior]

Take myself too seriously some times. But, so many people whose names start with B. Mr. B. what the heck, who did I think I was talking to!

[Eric Dayi]

Birkibrisli wrote: To all Greek Cypriots:

When are you guys and girls going to realise that it is all your fault?
It was always your fault and will always be your fault.
. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

That's the way Birkibrisli, you tell them..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Kifeas]

Eric Dayi wrote: Birkibrisli wrote: To all Greek Cypriots:

When are you guys and girls going to realise that it is all your fault?
It was always your fault and will always be your fault.
. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

That's the way Birkibrisli, you tell them..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

At last you have managed to turn Birkibrisli into an anti Greek Cypriot! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :wink:

[pg]

Eric Dayi wrote: Viewpoint wrote: Are we proving Denktas senior and Ecevit right? The solution happened in 1974? Why not accept what is looking us in the face that we will not and cannot trust each other and therefore we are unable to make concessions that would unite us.

They knew all along that Denktash sen. and Ecevit was right they are just starting to admit it to themselves.

I finally saw the light - thank you for enlightening us.