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[city]

Dear forum members,

we regret to inform you that the members Kifeas and De_La_Soul have received an official warning from the forums admin/mods concerning the continuous violation of the forum rules.
Should the personal attacks do not stop members will be banned from posting on the forum for a period of time as determined by the moderators/admins.

regards, city

[Kifeas]

This is my official reply to the above stated official warning.

1. I have absolutely no regrets for whatever I have posted so far in the forum.

2. It is your duty (administrators /moderators) to keep the forum civilized and protect the other members from posters that come here with the sole aim to provoke and /or insult in hidden ways and /or support and /or promote illegalities and /or illegal and /or inhumane ideas. So far you haven’t done this in an effective way whatsoever.

3. If you believe that I have no right to respond in the harshest possible way and to even suggest violence towards anyone who directly or indirectly claims and /or propagandizes that it was right that my human rights were violated, it is right that they continue to be violate and it is right that they should continue to be violated in the future, then so be it, go ahead and ban me. I have better things to do in life.

4. I reserve my right to respond to such postings in the future in the way I find suitable at the time and based on the degree of provocation.

Regards Kifeas

[cypezokyli]

i was absent for the weekend so i dont really know what was written.

firstly, i want to state that i dont question the mods decision to warn members, delete insulting posts etc, and i believe they had god reasons of doing that.

But,
i dont see the point of having that in public, in a new threat.

what is that going to give me as a member knowing that ?
..unless, this will be done for every member getting warned, then i would have no problem with that.

besides if some posts were deleted (which i assume they were...as i said i dont know), it is obvious that they were warned. no need for a new thread..

thanks
cypez

[De_La_Soul]

wow...such a surprise that two Greek Cypriot's have been official warned but Eric Dayi...who is Turkish Cypriot and been posting tasteless posts since he has been here, has not even been mentioned.

shows this website all over.

[cannedmoose]

cypezokyli wrote: But,
i dont see the point of having that in public, in a new threat.

what is that going to give me as a member knowing that ?
..unless, this will be done for every member getting warned, then i would have no problem with that.

besides if some posts were deleted (which i assume they were...as i said i dont know), it is obvious that they were warned. no need for a new thread..

thanks
cypez

Cypez, the point of having this in public is that the process is out in the open and transparent, i.e. members are not banned behind the scenes, without prior warning, both via PM and in public. The individuals concerned have been asked on many occasions in the past few days to adopt a more positive stance, but have responded that they are unwilling to do so. Given that threats of violence and that repeated personal insults are against the rules of this forum, it has therefore reached the stage where they are publicly warned and any further repeat of this episode will result in them being prevented from posting (although not accessing the forum) for a period of 2 days. Continued transgression will then result in a lengthier ban.

This is the case for all members who cross the boundaries of good order. I would like also to note that no posts were deleted, except by the authors themselves. Our purpose as mods is not to censor but to maintain a degree of civility, which some members seem to lack at times. Regardless of their excuses for such actions, they have hijacked the Cyprob section with this ongoing battle and that is no longer acceptable. If they feel that the action of the mods is unacceptable they are of course free to complain and they are also free to withdraw themselves from this forum. That is their choice.

[cannedmoose]

De_La_Soul wrote: wow...such a surprise that two Greek Cypriot's have been official warned but Eric Dayi...who is Turkish Cypriot and been posting tasteless posts since he has been here, has not even been mentioned.

shows this website all over.

Yes, we knew this accusation would be coming as well. Eric Dayi was warned via PM to moderate his language and he responded by doing so. His views may be extreme, but it is not for us to censor them. You may find them tasteless in terms of content and tone, but he has not explicitly threatened violence against either you or Kifeas, nor did he continue to spout obscenities against you. Had he done so he would have received the same treatment. However, he did not do so and thus has escaped a public warning. Should he do so in the future, he will receive the same warning as you did.

Portraying yourselves as victims is failing to understand your transgression of the rules. I suggest you read them again and if you find any instance of Eric Dayi violating them, I suggest you PM one of the moderators or admins and make them aware of it.

[De_La_Soul]

So Eric gets the privelge of a PM asking him to tone it down...but we get a straight offical warning and a public annoucement.

This is bollocks.

He may not have given a personal thrat on individuals but he more than once condoned attacks on our community in a tasteless manner...and you do nothing.

[cannedmoose]

De_La_Soul wrote: So Eric gets the privelge of a PM asking him to tone it down...but we get a straight offical warning and a public annoucement.

This is bollocks.

He may not have given a personal thrat on individuals but he more than once condoned attacks on our community in a tasteless manner...and you do nothing.

No, this is a lie. Both you and Kifeas were asked on MANY occasions to tone it down. I have also defended you in discussions with other mods, where it was almost unanimous that you should be banned from posting for 2 days WITHOUT further warning, so don't claim that your interests are being ignored and violated.

Eric was also given a number of warnings about his behaviour, but we do not intend to censor his views. If you have concrete evidence of Eric inciting physical violence against Greek Cypriots, then please PM it to me and I will take appropriate action.

[De_La_Soul]

Quote: No, this is a lie. Both you and Kifeas were asked on MANY occasions to tone it down

How is this...the whole thing took place at 2am in the morning.

Quote: Eric was also given a number of warnings about his behaviour, but we do not intend to censor his views

Im sorry...I do not keep a journal.

[cannedmoose]

De_La_Soul wrote: Quote: No, this is a lie. Both you and Kifeas were asked on MANY occasions to tone it down

How is this...the whole thing took place at 2am in the morning.

The overnight saga was very much the culmination of an escalating process that had developed over the previous two days, primarily involving Kifeas and Eric Dayi. During that period, both of them were politely requested to conduct themselves in a more civilised manner. Eric chose to heed these warnings, whereas Kifeas refused to and has continued to refuse ever since.

As soon as the 2am nonsense was seen, all of those involved received warnings that such behaviour was not conducive to effective discussion and was demeaning not only to the forum, but to the people involved. I did not personally send you a warning, but I did communicate with Kifeas about this. Nonetheless, given that you jumped on the bandwagon and made a direct physical threat of violence against Eric, it is not for you to attempt to take any moral high ground about this incident. You let yourself down badly, if you fail to understand that, you need to search your own soul for guidance on what constitutes appropriate behaviour.

De_La_Soul wrote: Quote: Eric was also given a number of warnings about his behaviour, but we do not intend to censor his views

Im sorry...I do not keep a journal.

Well, if you're not prepared to justify your calls for action to be taken against Eric Dayi, that's entirely up to you.

[Kifeas]

cannedmoose wrote:
As soon as the 2am nonsense was seen,
Can you be more specific?

[cannedmoose]

Kifeas wrote: 1. I have absolutely no regrets for whatever I have posted so far in the forum.

That's your right.

Kifeas wrote: 2. It is your duty (administrators /moderators) to keep the forum civilized and protect the other members from posters that come here with the sole aim to provoke and /or insult in hidden ways and /or support and /or promote illegalities and /or illegal and /or inhumane ideas. So far you haven’t done this in an effective way whatsoever.

Wrong...

Quote: Moderators are individuals (or groups of individuals) whose job it is to look after the running of the forums from day to day. They have the power to edit or delete posts and lock, unlock, move, delete and split topics in the forum they moderate. Generally moderators are there to prevent people going off-topic or posting abusive or offensive material.

Our prime purpose is to prevent off-topic posting (which you did in the thread in question) and to prevent offensive or abusive material (which you did in threatening violence and continuing to make personal insults even after being advised not to do so).

It is for you to moderate your own behaviour when it comes to people or ideas that offend you. If we went around spitting at everyone who offended us in the street, do you think such behaviour would be allowed? Inhumane ideas are subjective, what is inhumane to you might not be inhumane to someone else, so it is not for us to make such decisions. Also, when it comes to defining illegalities, if we took discussion of anything involving the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus then this forum could not exist in the first place...

Just because you define something as illegal/inhumane/provocative doesn't mean that everyone else does. What you should properly do if you are offended by a post is to report that post to the moderators using the blue card option. Instead, you choose to act like some sort of vigilante and take the dispensation of justice into your own hands. If you did this in the streets of London and physically assaulted a group advocating the independence of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, you would be arrested for doing so. The same principle operates here. You can challenge people's ideas but the simple fact that you disagree with them gives you no right to threaten them physically.

Kifeas wrote: 3. If you believe that I have no right to respond in the harshest possible way and to even suggest violence towards anyone who directly or indirectly claims and /or propagandizes that it was right that my human rights were violated, it is right that they continue to be violate and it is right that they should continue to be violated in the future, then so be it, go ahead and ban me. I have better things to do in life.

That's your choice. You have full right to respond, but when that response violates rules of common decency, that's where your right ends. You are simply asked to conduct yourself with a level of decorum even in the face of provocation. Is it not embarassing to you that Eric Dayi did ameliorate his language and stuck to arguments rather than abuse? If your enemy can do that, it reflects on you that you are also unable to do so.


Kifeas wrote: 4. I reserve my right to respond to such postings in the future in the way I find suitable at the time and based on the degree of provocation.

Sorry, you don't have the right to such a reservation. Let me make this clear, if you have an issue with anyone's post, you should report it, along with your reasons for doing so. If you choose to respond directly, you should do so in a way that does not violate the rules of this forum. If you fail to do so, the action described in City's warning will be taken. Your choice.

[erolz]

The rules are very clear

You must not insult members personally.

As moderators we try and ask people who are doing this to not do it, privately and without fuss.

If they continue to do this despite being asked not to then a public warning is given.

If they continue to do this despite being asked politely and privately to not do and despite a public warning that such behaviour will not be tollerated here indefinately - then futher action will be taken.

Because you do not like someones ideas that does NOT mean you can break the forum rules with impunity.

Those that are doing this may feel that this is all 'Turkish Cypriot / Greek Cypriot' bias - but they are not correct in this assesment. The problem is insulting outher members and threatening them. Calling them names. Any member that does this will be treated in exactly the same way as any other.

To be blunt either learn to post without calling people names, regardless of how much you dislike their views, or go find a forum where such name calling is allowed or tollerated.

Thank you.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas wrote: cannedmoose wrote:
As soon as the 2am nonsense was seen,
Can you be more specific?

I asked you to be specific on the above comment that you made in your previous posting and not to give me a lecture.

[erolz]

Kifeas wrote: Kifeas wrote: cannedmoose wrote:
As soon as the 2am nonsense was seen,
Can you be more specific?

I asked you to be specific on the above comment that you made in your previous posting and not to give me a lecture.

Kifeas you have reaptedly made posts that are clear and blatant breaches of the forum rules. Do we now really have to go back and point them out you - each in turn ?

The issue is simple. Either you decide to stop throwing personal insults at other members or not. The choice is yours.