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[depurple]

Compensation where is all this money coming from after a settlement I am always asked:
So Boys & Girls get the calculators out and start pressing the buttons:


1: How much money does Turkey spend on the military in Cyprus?
2: How much does Greece spend?
3: How much Does the Republic of Cyprus Spend?
multiply it by 30 Years =?
They will not heed this because Cyprus will defended by the EU & NATO:

4: How much money does Britain owe in Rents for the bases x 30 years?
5: How much money will we have if sell theses bases to NATO or the EU to use?OR to a Golf coarse development company?

6:How much money will we have when Cyprus becomes a true Democracy like the USA and sell all its infrastructure:The USA has sold everything:

The Telecommunications: (Phones) Australia recently sold 49% of Telstra for over 4 billion:
The Sea Ports:
The Air Ports:
The Hospitals:
The Schools:
The Prisons:
The Water:
The Power Stations:
The Freeways:
The list goes on: In the EU and the US this is what happens in a democracy NO STATE ASSETS:
So have you added up so far:
Well now for the big ones:

Greece, Turkey Britain must pay compensation to end the Cyprus drama because they were all personally involved;
The USA must pay so that Cyprus does not veto Turkey from the EU and for backing Turkeys invasion:And the end of the Greece/Turkey head banging:
The EU must pay to see tranquility in the EU over Cyprus:
The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus for unlawfully selling other people assets and usage of the properties:
And the Republic of Cyprus Cyprus for there past injustices:
Also money will come from the the joint big ventures in Tourism and Oil exploitations between Turkey and Cyprus: Billions:

Oh Yes one more: Selling some of the Church and Mosques assets for causing this religion division: Everyone must pay:

Now have we enough money for the 300,000 refugee from both side?
Let me know? you might have a few more I missed?
Money Money Money it a rich man world!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Crash Test Dummy]

depurple wrote:
1: How much money does Turkey spend on the military in Cyprus?
2: How much does Greece spend?
3: How much Does the Republic of Cyprus Spend?
multiply it by 30 Years =?
You think they will pull billions out of their economy to pay for Cyprus?

depurple wrote: 4: How much money does Britain owe in Rents for the bases x 30 years?
They owe Cyprus nothing. It is British Land. The land they are on was never returned in the August 1960 agreement. Makarios allowed them to keep it.
depurple wrote:
5: How much money will we have if sell theses bases to NATO or the EU to use?OR to a Golf coarse development company?
As before; they are not ours to sell.

6:How much money will we have when Cyprus becomes a true Democracy like the USA and sell all its infrastructure:The USA has sold everything:
depurple wrote:

The Hospitals:
The Schools:
The Prisons:
The Power Stations:


Such items can not be sold. If mismanaged the entire country will suffer


depurple wrote:
Greece, Turkey Britain must pay compensation to end the Cyprus drama because they were all personally involved;
The USA must pay so that Cyprus does not veto Turkey from the EU and for backing Turkeys invasion:And the end of the Greece/Turkey head banging:


You really think they care that much?

depurple wrote:
Also money will come from the the joint big ventures in Tourism and Oil exploitations between Turkey and Cyprus: Billions:
Why should thye doit. If anybody is to exploit Cypriot oil it will be Cyprus.

depurple wrote: Selling some of the Church and Mosques assets for causing this religion division: Everyone must pay:

Not sure about the mosques but I know for a fact that the Cypriot Greek Orthodox is ridiculously rich. They can give up some land for the Cypriot people. However they wont do it and nobody will make them.

[depurple]

Hi CTD
1& 2& 3: They will have to IF they want a solution!
4: The British said they will pay But who do they pay the money to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus or The Republic of Cyprus: That was their answer:
5: Cyprus will offer the bases to NATO (The US & Turkey & Greece) will be Happy and NATO will pay the rent in advance:The British will make the sacrifice like they all will for a end to this story:

6: Are we in A Democracy???? Just look at any Democracy specially the US and see it will be sold like it or not: Theses asset will be worth billions But the government will set up oblisman to monitor people complaints:
7: Are you joking everyone wants to END the Cyprus problem and will pay anything to close this capture: It has been a thorn in EVERY-ONES SHOE!
8:Joint Venture my Friend: Cyprus/Turkey;Cyprus/Egypt: Cyprus/Greece:
Joint venture are like insurance policies:
WHY is East Timor have a joint venture with Australia 50/50 in the Timor Gap because they love US? If Cyprus/Turkey have joint venture who will dare threaten Cyprus again?
9: The Orthodox Church and Mosques are loaded:
They have more money than anyone: Every seen a Priest or a Hagi out of work, Poor or skinny:
They will have to pay for inciting religious division: They should leave religion for Saturdays and Sundays:
Beside what does the bible & Koran SAY? CTD
HELP and Give to the POOR!!!!
HERE is the perfect way to practice what they preach:
What do you think?

[Crash Test Dummy]

Quote: 4: The British said they will pay But who do they pay the money to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus or The Republic of Cyprus: That was their answer:

Well they should pay it towards uniting Cyprus, Problem Solved

Quote: 5: Cyprus will offer the bases to NATO (The US & Turkey & Greece) will be Happy and NATO will pay the rent in advance:The British will make the sacrifice like they all will for a end to this story:


Sounds like a perfect plan to me
Quote:
7: Are you joking everyone wants to END the Cyprus problem and will pay anything to close this capture: It has been a thorn in EVERY-ONES SHOE!

Are you joking. What problems does the UK have with having a huge military base a stones throw away from the middle east? Not to mention they give all their troops free holidays

Quote: 8:Joint Venture my Friend: Cyprus/Turkey;Cyprus/Egypt: Cyprus/Greece:
Joint venture are like insurance policies:
WHY is East Timor have a joint venture with Australia 50/50 in the Timor Gap because they love US? If Cyprus/Turkey have joint venture who will dare threaten Cyprus again?
They said this when Greece took Cyprus under their wing. Turkey invaded.

Quote:
HERE is the perfect way to practice what they preach:
What do you think?

Do you know how corrupt the Church is?[/quote]

[depurple]

CTD Great to see you adding to my view:
The bases always pop up as a problem for the UK BUT under NATO they will all have a free run: The UK, US, EU,Greece and Turkey and EVEN Cyprus:
I think one base should do: Akrotiri: Turn Dekelia into a Tennis court! Go Markos!

Greece could take Kos under its wing: Greece isn't a fighting force they are more like Administration: A coffee and the telephone:
As for the Church and religion: They are the biggest business (TAX FREE BUSINESS) in the world: I was
vice president of the Greek Church for over 15 years and when I asked one too many questions I was voted out even though I got 80% of the community's vote:
Democracy in the making!
All i asked is why does the priest change his car every year and gets a new one:V8 as well!
Time to give to the poor!
cheers my friend:
One more question Do we really need more Churches and Mosques built in Cyprus?

[cannedmoose]

depurple wrote: 1: How much money does Turkey spend on the military in Cyprus?
2: How much does Greece spend?
3: How much Does the Republic of Cyprus Spend?
multiply it by 30 Years =?
They will not heed this because Cyprus will defended by the EU & NATO:

Turkey probably spends around $750m maintaining its forces in Cyprus. I would imagine Greece spends around $150m or so, if that much. The Republic of Cyprus spends just under $400m on its armed forces and I would imagine that the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus spends a small amount on its security forces, for argument's sake let's say $50m.

As Crash said, I think it's highly unlikely that either Greece or Turkey would be willing to see a peace dividend in Cyprus taken from their own budgets and ploughed back into the island. It's fantasyland thinking that they would. In addition, I think we have to envisage that a united Cyprus would require its own military forces, I have huge doubts about a demilitarised island, so there wouldn't be a $450m dividend from demilitarisation in Cyprus, more like $100-150m as it moves from a conscript force to a more able professional outfit.

depurple wrote: 4: How much money does Britain owe in Rents for the bases x 30 years?
5: How much money will we have if sell theses bases to NATO or the EU to use?OR to a Golf coarse development company?

There are no clear figures for how much rent is owed, it depends on who you asks and ranges from several hundred thousand dollars to $2bn. Probably somewhere in the middle would be accurate. However, I think it unlikely that this back rent will ever be paid. A better solution would be the one that I envisaged in my latest plan, where the SBAs become subject to a lease arrangement, with the UK paying an annual amount for lease of the land. In my plan I conservatively valued the SBAs (reduced in size as per the Annan Plan) at £2.5bn, with an initial annual rent of $50m in US terms, increasing with the CPI each year.

As for the bases being sold for golf courses or to NATO, that's a silly idea. These are incredibly important spy bases and fundamentally important to the UK and NATO. Plus, any revenue from sale of the SBAs would go to the UK as they are sovereign territory. They cannot be transferred to NATO ownership because in the event of the UK leaving, they become the sovereign territory of the Republic of Cyprus and noone else.

depurple wrote: 6:How much money will we have when Cyprus becomes a true Democracy like the USA and sell all its infrastructure:The USA has sold everything:

This is where you are starting to sound more realistic. Due to opposition from AKEL and others, Cyprus has been slow to take the privatisation route. There is a lot of potential revenue for the government in selling off state assets and dumping some loss-making operations that are a constant drain on the public purse. Privatisation isn't a panacea by any means, but it has been proven to work in many cases and has seen huge loss-making industries turned around under private management. The only downside from this is that initially jobs tend to be lost, although ultimately the revival of these industries tends to be job-creating in the final analysis. There are certainly many billions sitting in national companies that could be used.

depurple wrote: Greece, Turkey Britain must pay compensation to end the Cyprus drama because they were all personally involved;
The USA must pay so that Cyprus does not veto Turkey from the EU and for backing Turkeys invasion:And the end of the Greece/Turkey head banging:
The EU must pay to see tranquility in the EU over Cyprus:
The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus for unlawfully selling other people assets and usage of the properties:
And the Republic of Cyprus Cyprus for there past injustices:
Also money will come from the the joint big ventures in Tourism and Oil exploitations between Turkey and Cyprus: Billions:

Oh Yes one more: Selling some of the Church and Mosques assets for causing this religion division: Everyone must pay:

This is where you go off the ball again. No-one MUST pay. They can be asked to pay, but Cyprus isn't in a position to demand that others pay for the island's problems, no matter how much these other states are complicit in them. The fact is that in the eyes of 99% of the rest of the world, there is no refugee problem in Cyprus. For the global audience, refugees are those in Kashmir living in tents, or those on the beaches of Gaza living in prefabricated huts. Cyprus did a great thing in the years following 1974 in making sure that all the people had solid roofs over their heads, but in doing so it also removed the card of public sympathy and visibility from its pack. So, while on paper Cyprus has hundreds of thousands of refugees, the rest of the world doesn't see it this way at all. Before I became intimately involved with the island, I never regarded it as a land of refugees and that is how most people beyond the shores of the island also see it.

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I think the long list of money sources are a bit irrelevant. They might be real sources, but should in my opinion not be used for compensation - there are better things to invest those into.

For compensation I think the A-plan 5 was onto something good. Basically, the bonds, etc, since the value of the compensated land with hardly decrease...
...the main problem was that the risk of decrease in values (however small) where carried by the Cypriot tax-payer.

I would suggest that first of all the fund should be Guaranteed by Turkey. Of course Turkey would prefer not too do this, but it would still be a lot better than the monetary demands set by ECHR rulings - since most likely the guarantor would never need to pay anything.

In addition, since most Greek Cypriot would not accept having their bonds guaranteed by Turkey only, the guarantee would need to be back up by additional guarantees by organizations like the European Development Bank, the Worldbank, IMF, etc.