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Bullika
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:00 am Post subject: The Marxist Solution for Cyprus |
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A very interesting article by Kariyannis which i thought was different to what we usually read on Cyprus. What d we all make of it?>
This is Kariyannis' view on the Annan plan
Quote: The Greek Cypriot bourgeoisie, being the stronger of the two on Cyprus, will attempt to exploit the new situation: (if Annan plan was implemented)
· It will attempt to limit the Turkish Cypriot bourgeoisie and exploit the new opportunities, especially tourism, that the Turkish Cypriot areas are offering
· It will attempt to exploit the cheap Turkish Cypriot labour, attacking at the same time the standard of living of the Greek Cypriot workers.
Kariyannis says the aged Annan plan does not account of class issue nor does it encourage workers to unite for a socialist Cyprus.
http://www.marxist.com/cyprus-greek-turkish-unity161202.htm
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cypezokyli
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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before i read the article...
i dont believe that marxism can apply to our problem |
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cypezokyli
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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after i read the article... i start doupting that this guy is a cypriot. he has a greek name though.
i ve met this people before. they ve read some marx passages, they thought they understood and believe that everything is a class struggle.
imo, this guy doesnt have a clue of what he is talking about |
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respiridus
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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When I tried to read some Marx passages, I didn't understand anything. :roll:
P. S. I was smart enough to go to Uni. |
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cypezokyli
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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dont feel bad respi.
i dont think karl aimed to be understood.
there are thousands of people who even died for it, and i bet they also didnt understand.
i would say they wouldnt if they did understand :lol: |
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Bullika
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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cypezokyli wrote: before i read the article...
i dont believe that marxism can apply to our problem
its rather outdated now and tends to emphasize workers rights, as opposed to all the other rights. |
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Dhavlos
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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it sounds like dribble really...
respy..dont worry, even us uni student who do politics have to learn a new language just to understand marxism..there are many concepts etc, that even now are not fully understood. |
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cannedmoose
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| If anyone wants to have a go at decoding Marxist politics, try reading through the articles on AKEL's website... ;) |
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Bullika
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Dhavlos wrote: it sounds like dribble really...
respy..dont worry, even us uni student who do politics have to learn a new language just to understand marxism..there are many concepts etc, that even now are not fully understood.
i am rather open to marxism, some of its ideas i agree with even today. |
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Crash Test Dummy
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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cypezokyli wrote: dont feel bad respi.
i dont think karl aimed to be understood.
If you cant dazzle them with intelligence then baffle them with bullshit |
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Dhavlos
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Bullika wrote: Dhavlos wrote: it sounds like dribble really...
respy..dont worry, even us uni student who do politics have to learn a new language just to understand marxism..there are many concepts etc, that even now are not fully understood.
i am rather open to marxism, some of its ideas i agree with even today.
in what sense? ..just interested to find out, cos someitmes, i too lean towards the political left |
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Bullika
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| eerr can i get back to u on that one, my minds gone blank. |
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CY
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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I find Marxism ineteresting, but in no way do I support it.
I mean you have to ask yourself why after hundreds of year, marxism has NOT actually been implemented anywhere. I mean Lenin (and Stalin-but everyone knows he was not a true Marxist!) didnt fully interpret what Marx wrote.
PS: Marx once said "Thank God I'm not a Marxist."
Ive read extracts from Wheen's biography on Marx in politics lessons and it really entertaining and interesting to read actually.
heh, still dont suport marxism though. |
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