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cypezokyli · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

its something that i thought for a while now. what would you people think about using the forum as platform for articles to be published in cyprus newspapers?

what is the point?
1.we get to sent letters in the press signed by both Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot. i istrongly beleive that is absent from our press - at least in the south.

2.we can perhaps attract more people thinking this way.

3.we can do sth kind of more practical for cyprus. putting our opinion in the press rather than sharing it only between us

4.moreoever i ve got a feeling that a number of letters reaching the press in the south are getting more and more nationalist, so the other voice should perhaps at least show that it is present.

5.all of us sitting our asses abroad, could do sth.

6. some bicommunal cooperation would start existing and even more : reach the press

how it can be done?

anyone who believes that s/he can write an article that could get the support of Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot (we can set a minimum number if you want, eg 5 from each side - but equal numbers over five over five are not necessary)

anyone who wants to sign it will do it. anyone who wants to add sth or change sth he can do it. i.e. how about adding this paragraph to your nice text and i signed as well :wink: we can work on it for a while till we manage to get a compromised article that a number of people can support with their signature

ofcource that means we write our names and no more nicks anymore. that could mean that we are more in danger...

i dont know if we have reached a point that we can agree on an article, but i believe we could find some Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots that would be willing to write to pap and talat : cut the crap and open ledras (or so, ofocurce more politically correct :wink: )

if we really take it seriously we could also translate the texts and send them to Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot newspapers. if not we can just use the english cypriot newspapers.

we can add at the end that the aricle represents only those who sign it and not the forum
we can add that the talkcyprus.org was used as a platform, therefore attracting more members (implicit add :wink: )

i dont know what implication that will have on the forum? dont want to create more stress to erol :wink:

what do you think?

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

good idea, i have already invited lots of people i know who have yet to register.

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: Re: how about we go public?

cypezokyli wrote: its something that i thought for a while now. what would you people think about using the forum as platform for articles to be published in cyprus newspapers?

what is the point?
1.we get to sent letters in the press signed by both Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot. i istrongly beleive that is absent from our press - at least in the south.

2.we can perhaps attract more people thinking this way.

3.we can do sth kind of more practical for cyprus. putting our opinion in the press rather than sharing it only between us

4.moreoever i ve got a feeling that a number of letters reaching the press in the south are getting more and more nationalist, so the other voice should perhaps at least show that it is present.

5.all of us sitting our asses abroad, could do sth.

6. some bicommunal cooperation would start existing and even more : reach the press

how it can be done?

anyone who believes that s/he can write an article that could get the support of Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot (we can set a minimum number if you want, eg 5 from each side - but equal numbers over five over five are not necessary)

anyone who wants to sign it will do it. anyone who wants to add sth or change sth he can do it. i.e. how about adding this paragraph to your nice text and i signed as well :wink: we can work on it for a while till we manage to get a compromised article that a number of people can support with their signature

ofcource that means we write our names and no more nicks anymore. that could mean that we are more in danger...

i dont know if we have reached a point that we can agree on an article, but i believe we could find some Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots that would be willing to write to pap and talat : cut the crap and open ledras (or so, ofocurce more politically correct :wink: )

if we really take it seriously we could also translate the texts and send them to Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot newspapers. if not we can just use the english cypriot newspapers.

we can add at the end that the aricle represents only those who sign it and not the forum
we can add that the talkcyprus.org was used as a platform, therefore attracting more members (implicit add :wink: )

i dont know what implication that will have on the forum? dont want to create more stress to erol :wink:

what do you think?

Thank you Cype.

I have been asking why no one has come up with this idea before. (Maybe someone has and I just didn't see it). I wanted to do this for a long time but thought it inappropriate for me to suggest this since I consider myself a guest to these proceedings. I believe that by implementing such an undertaking this forum would become an organ of the cypriot people. Hanging out at this forum is fun but if you are not influencing the governments of cyprus it simply is a "hobby" for most of us. We/you must take the next step and get the voices of reason heard by the leaders of both communities. As Cype pointed out this could be dangerous as well so you must think carefully before you commit. Anyway... you have my support and I would do anything to assist.

Thanx for your consideration,

Tufan

depurple · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 2876 Location: Australia

If everyone agrees I can put a small add free in the English Section of the Biggest Greek Newspaper in Australia Neos Cosmos (I have contacts) and I will get my good friend Moustafas to put on in the Turkish Newspaper:
We have no Cypriot Newspaper But we have 2 big Cypriot communities and we also have a Cypriot radio station a few hours each week I could contact But you have to 1: Get it OK by everyone and
2: Tell me what you want to write:
cheers

Crash Test Dummy · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 4911 Location: London(ish)

All people come to TalkCyprus.org becuase Crash is there. Millions will join

cypezokyli · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

crash wrote:
Quote: All people come to TalkCyprus.org becuase Crash is there. Millions will join

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Quote: If everyone agrees I can put a small add free in the English Section of the Biggest Greek Newspaper in Australia Neos Cosmos (I have contacts) and I will get my good friend Moustafas to put on in the Turkish Newspaper:
We have no Cypriot Newspaper But we have 2 big Cypriot communities and we also have a Cypriot radio station a few hours each week I could contact But you have to 1: Get it OK by everyone and
2: Tell me what you want to write:
cheers
the point is not just once but kind of more regularly.
being in a Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot newspaper as well in australia is great.
the most important is that to have it in cyprus imo.

tufan wrote:

Quote: Thank you Cype.

I have been asking why no one has come up with this idea before. (Maybe someone has and I just didn't see it). I wanted to do this for a long time but thought it inappropriate for me to suggest this since I consider myself a guest to these proceedings. I believe that by implementing such an undertaking this forum would become an organ of the cypriot people. Hanging out at this forum is fun but if you are not influencing the governments of cyprus it simply is a "hobby" for most of us. We/you must take the next step and get the voices of reason heard by the leaders of both communities. As Cype pointed out this could be dangerous as well so you must think carefully before you commit. Anyway... you have my support and I would do anything to assist.

Thanx for your consideration,

Tufan
thanks tufan.
and totally agree

dont worry that you are a guest. dont forget we all turned into aussies since a couple of days :wink:

depurple · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 2876 Location: Australia

Another idea is that I know the managers of the Bank of Cyprus and Laiki Bank: So if you write up something and it is agreed by everyone I can get some leaflets made and put them in all the Cypriots bank Australia wide:
The head honchos are good friends of mine:
Trying to find a Turkish Cypriot outlet i will leave to Moustafas or Zia or Mehmet: They should know:

Dhavlos · Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 4697 Location: Birmingham

we couldalsosend this kindathing to cypriot 'organisations' in theUK etc.... get them interested...

respiridus · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:47 pm Post subject:

Well, I think this brings up two issues:

1. Necessary software to support article publishing:

What we need is to add some blogging features to this forum, so that the "journalists" among us will be able to publish their articles and discuss them with other members. I have found this: http://www.outshine.com/phpbbblog/ but I guess it's up to the King if he wants to try it or not.

2. Official organization status:

We have talked a bit about this during the Gardash meeting. If we are going to start lobbying, perhaps we will need it: A "formal" non-profit organization, with a real committee voted by real members, and with its own budget. Whether we must do this or not, it's up for discussion, of course.

cypezokyli · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

Quote: 2. Official organization status:

We have talked a bit about this during the Gardash meeting. If we are going to start lobbying, perhaps we will need it: A "formal" non-profit organization, with a real committee voted by real members, and with its own budget. Whether we must do this or not, it's up for discussion, of course.

could you elaborate on this a bit?
why would we need an official status?

respiridus · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject:

Quote: could you elaborate on this a bit?
why would we need an official status?

Two reasons:

1. It will be much more effective for lobbying, since people with power usually like to associate with "real" people and organizations, not a bunch of nicknames in a website.

2. Lobbying also means organizing meetings, demonstrations, etc. Such things require some money, which can be acquired via donations. You have to be registered as a non-profit organization in order to accept donations.

cypezokyli · Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 2344

wow!!!
you are right

but to be honest i was considering sth more modest for a beggining. just articles from individuals not necessarily an organisation, in the papers.
most probably you are right that an organisation has more status and can lobby more effectively, but i am not sure how many people are willing to do this, participate etc..
moreover more than half of us are abroad
i like your idea, but it has some practical difficulties

lets wait and see if there is support from more members for both a modest and a more elaborate project :wink:

respiridus · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject:

Another thing:

A formal organization would mean that we would have to sit down and draft a "katastatiko", in essence a legal document that says - among other things - what we believe in and what we're fighting for. Creating such a document, and signing it could clear things up and give us more status.

erolz · Joined: 11 Aug 2005 Posts: 4195 Location: Kyrenia / Girne

At Gardash (from memory) I did talk about the 'forum's ownership'.

I stated my view that essentially (moraly) the forum is 'owned' jointly by those that use it and post to it.

On the 'legal' front, I pointed out that actually there was very little to actualy 'own. The forum software that drives the forum is all 'open source' sw and 'owned' by those who hold the (GPL) licesense for it. The content is all 'owned' by those that wrote it. Really the only other thing that is 'owned' is the domain name (talkcyprus.org). This is currently owned by myself as an indivdual.

I did suggest and express a willingness to, should it be deemed necessary, to set up some kind of 'trust body' that would then hold the ownership of this domain. In reality though, the 'overhead' involved in such a thing probably does not warrant the 'benefits'.

Setting up a formal organisation is somewhat different to this, I think ?

respiridus · Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:31 pm Post subject:

cypezokyli wrote: wow!!!
you are right

but to be honest i was considering sth more modest for a beggining. just articles from individuals not necessarily an organisation, in the papers.
most probably you are right that an organisation has more status and can lobby more effectively, but i am not sure how many people are willing to do this, participate etc..
moreover more than half of us are abroad
i like your idea, but it has some practical difficulties

lets wait and see if there is support from more members for both a modest and a more elaborate project :wink:

Fasouli to fasouli gemizei to sakouli.

Things can be done step-by-step.

1. Start with a forum.
2. Add blogs (your idea).
3. Start submitting articles to newspapers.
4. Organize meetings.
5. Formalize everything in an organization.
6. Start lobbying politically.
.
.
.
99. Respiridus is elected in the Parliament.
100. The Cyprus problem is solved.
101. Erol is elected president of the United Republic of Cyprus.

OK, I got a little carried away here. :lol: