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[erolz]

boomerang wrote:
Give it a break PAul, or should I say Brian...................

Sorry boomer but that 'crosses the line' into unacceptable abuse of another forum member as far as I am concerned.

I would appreciate it if you could edit your post please. Sorry if it seems I am being unfair of biased towards you, but we do have some rules here and I can not ignore such a direct personal insult :(

[boomerang]

erolz wrote: boomerang wrote:
Give it a break PAul, or should I say Brian........................

Sorry boomer but that 'crosses the line' into unacceptable abuse of another forum member as far as I am concerned.

I would appreciate it if you could edit your post please. Sorry if it seems I am being unfair of biased towards you, but we do have some rules here and I can not ignore such a direct personal insult :(
Gday Erol,

I don't usually like to abuse people, but in this case I made an exception, because the way I see it this individual has abused his priveledges the day he rejoined by changing his log on...We might be simple island people but not dummies Erol.

Cheers

[erolz]

boomerang wrote:
I don't usually like to abuse people,

I appreciate that. I do not like having to 'quarantine' posts either :(

boomerang wrote:
but in this case I made an exception, because the way I see it this individual has abused his priveledges the day he rejoined by changing his log on...We might be simple island people but not dummies Erol.


I am sorry Boomer but I just do not know what you are saying (accusing?) here? If you believe that another member is abusing the forum and it's rules then really the right way to deal with that is to report it (via PM) to one of the mods or admins, not to start using personal abuse against that person. Please if you think abuse has gone on then let me (or any other mod / admin) know and we will investigate and if it is shown that they have abused the forum, then action will be taken.

You do not have to ammend your post. However if you chose not to, then I will have little choice but to reluctantly move it to the 'quarantine' area of the forum, something that I do not want to do, but will if I feel I have no other choice.

[boomerang]

erolz wrote: boomerang wrote:
I don't usually like to abuse people,

I appreciate that. I do not like having to 'quarantine' posts either :(

boomerang wrote:
but in this case I made an exception, because the way I see it this individual has abused his priveledges the day he rejoined by changing his log on...We might be simple island people but not dummies Erol.


I am sorry Boomer but I just do not know what you are saying (accusing?) here? If you believe that another member is abusing the forum and it's rules then really the right way to deal with that is to report it (via PM) to one of the mods or admins, not to start using personal abuse against that person. Please if you think abuse has gone on then let me (or any other mod / admin) know and we will investigate and if it is shown that they have abused the forum, then action will be taken.

You do not have to ammend your post. However if you chose not to, then I will have little choice but to reluctantly move it to the 'quarantine' area of the forum, something that I do not want to do, but will if I feel I have no other choice.

What are you saying Erol?...You do not see that Brian and Paul is the same person?...Are you kidding me?

Having multiple loggins is acceptable?...Because I could have half a dozen if you like...Not mentioning I could spoof my IP address...

Brian or Paul or what ever forfeited his rights the day he chose to have another log in...Or a warning was made? Please give me a link regarding the warning.

If you want to be fair you should also move every post this individual makes into the quarantine forum...Until he ownes up to his wanna be trickery.

If you move the post Erol, I will feel cheated because justice was not served, and rather bias will be shown.

I am sorry Erol I am not a hard ass, but in this case I take an exemption.

Cheers Erol

[respiridus]

Dhavlos wrote: respy, are you talking about Turkish Cypriot or Turks?

The ultra-nationalists consider them one and the same. If you read any of the Golden Dawn shit written by Charis Aristeidou, you'll understand what I mean. Here are some common expressions:

Tourko"kyprioi"
Tourkikh arxidopseira
Moggoloi dholofonoi
zwobates pou gamoun Tourkalles

I'd hate to have to translate all these... :oops:

[respiridus]

Kifeas wrote: respiridus wrote: Dhavlos wrote: respy, are you talking about Turkish Cypriot or Turks?

The ultra-nationalists consider them one and the same. If you read any of the Golden Dawn shit written by Charis Aristeidou, you'll understand what I mean. Here are some common expressions:

Tourko"kyprioi"
Tourkikh arxidopseira
Moggoloi dholofonoi
zwobates pou gamoun Tourkalles

I'd hate to have to translate all these... :oops:

If you hate to translate them, why then did you post them here in the first place! Just because an idiot said something, you have to reproduce it here so that you then use it as a yard-stick to measure how better and /or different from him you are? Yes you are not as big an idiot like he is! You are just a little bit less of an idiot compared to him! Are you happier now! After all, isn't this what you are trying to "force" us to acknowledge" in you?

Respiritus, please get serious!

Please remove this message at once and apologise. It is illegal to call someone an idiot.

[Crash Test Dummy]

Can you lot grow up please. This used to be an intresting thread

[Khan]

Crash Test Dummy wrote: Can you lot grow up please. This used to be an intresting thread

Whats so interesting about turning a tragedy into political one upmanship?

[respiridus]

Khan wrote: Crash Test Dummy wrote: Can you lot grow up please. This used to be an intresting thread

Whats so interesting about turning a tragedy into political one upmanship?

Please issue your complaints to Mr. Rauf Raif Denktash. ;-)

[Dhavlos]

Khan wrote: Crash Test Dummy wrote: Can you lot grow up please. This used to be an intresting thread
Whats so interesting about turning a tragedy into political one upmanship?
I think he meant it was interesting to question whether it is true or not, that Greek Cypriots killed these children. And the general topic area....before the whole EOKA did this, TMT did that crap resurfaced.

If we want to talk in depth about EOKA and TMT, then do it in another thread, specially dedicated to it!

[erolz]

boomerang wrote:
What are you saying Erol?...You do not see that Brian and Paul is the same person?...Are you kidding me?

What are you saying Boomer? That you have the right to be the accuser, judge and jury and decide the punishment (free reign on being allowed to insult this person / persons) ? There is a presumption of innocence. A person is innocent until _proven_ guilty. Even if this person is using multiple log ons, and evidence can be found that supports this accusation, that still does not make it acceptable to insult him on the forum.

boomerang wrote:
Having multiple loggins is acceptable?

Having multiple log ons is NOT accpetable. If someone is cought using multiple log ons then action will be taken against them for this breach of the rules. However I (nor you) can not just decide that a given person is using multiple accounts, without any evidence.

boomerang wrote:
...Because I could have half a dozen if you like...Not mentioning I could spoof my IP address...

You can try and if I can show that you are doing so , on the balance of probabilites, then I will take action against you. If you do so and I am unable to provide any evidence, then I would have to assume your innocence until such evidence could be found.

boomerang wrote:
Brian or Paul or what ever forfeited his rights the day he chose to have another log in...Or a warning was made? Please give me a link regarding the warning.

I have no proof of this Boomer. I have studied the IP addresses of both posters and there is no evidence that these people are the same person.

Yes IP addresses can be 'spoofed'. The simplest meathod is to access the site via a proxy server. However to access the site via a proxy server AND make it look like you have not accessed the site via a proxy server but actually directly via an ISP, other than the one you are actually using is a VERY difficult task. From the evidence I have available as an admin of these boards there is simply no evidence that these people are the same person.

boomerang wrote:
If you want to be fair you should also move every post this individual makes into the quarantine forum...Until he ownes up to his wanna be trickery.

And if you are wrong in your _assumption_ that they are the same person, then what sort of 'justice' would doing this represent (and all the evidence I have to hand suggest you are wrong by the way) ?

boomerang wrote:
If you move the post Erol, I will feel cheated because justice was not served, and rather bias will be shown.

I am sorry Erol I am not a hard ass, but in this case I take an exemption.

Cheers Erol

I really really am very sorry that you will feel this way, but Boomer I have no other choice. Let's say PAul accuses you of using multiple log ons, and then starts to throw personal insults at you, on the basis you have 'forfitied' any rights to not be insulted here, where will it lead? It will lead to chaos, and we may as well abandon all moderation of the forums entirely.

So I am sorry Boomer, but the options remain the same. Either voluntarily edit your posts to remove the personal insult or it WILL be quarantined. I really do not want to have to do this, or to make you agreived with this forum - I consider you a valued member of this online community. However I just do not see that I have any other option.

If you want I will submitt my decision on this matter to a vote of any available mods/ admins for review, but the bottom line is it NOT acceptable to personaly and directly insult other memebers of this forum, and that rule does not change even if you think the other person has broken the rules. At the end of the day the modertors and admins have the task of deciding if rules have been broken or not, not users - for otherwise there is not point to modertation at all.

I sincerely hope you can appreciate the position I am in here and understand why I feel I have to take this line ?

[erolz]

Kifeas wrote:
If you hate to translate them, why then did you post them here in the first place! Just because an idiot said something, you have to reproduce it here so that you then use it as a yard-stick to measure how better and /or different from him you are? Yes you are not as big an idiot like he is! You are just a little bit less of an idiot compared to him! Are you happier now! After all, isn't this what you are trying to "force" us to acknowledge" in you?

Respiritus, please get serious!

sigh :(

Kifeas I am afraid that this post also is in breach of the rule about insulting other members of the forum, in my opinion (and again if you want me to refer this decision to the admins / mods in general I will do so). Again your options would be to voluntarily edit the post to remove the personal insult , or it will be moved to the quarantine section of the forum.

Again I do not want to do this, I do not like to do this, but a specific complaint has been made about this post and in my personal best judgement I have to agree that the post as it stands right now is in breach of the forum rules. Again I hope you can appreciate that I really have little other choice, if I am to be both as fair as I can to ALL concerned and enforce the rules of the forum as they stand.

:(

[respiridus]

Quote: Yes IP addresses can be 'spoofed'. The simplest meathod is to access the site via a proxy server. However to access the site via a proxy server AND make it look like you have not accessed the site via a proxy server but actually directly via an ISP, other than the one you are actually using is a VERY difficult task. From the evidence I have available as an admin of these boards there is simply no evidence that these people are the same person.

For the sake of accuracy, there is nothing difficult with spoofing your IP address. You only need to set up some kind of tunnelling between the computer you are using and a remote computer with a different IP address. A comon tool to achieve this is PPPoE.

[erolz]

respiridus wrote: For the sake of accuracy, there is nothing difficult with spoofing your IP address. You only need to set up some kind of tunnelling between the computer you are using and a remote computer with a different IP address. A comon tool to achieve this is PPPoE.

And what IP address would show as being the source of the posts, if you had done this? The remote computer with the different IP address would show up as being the IP address of the posts, which is exactly my point. If the IP address showing as being where the post came from is from an ISP like superonline or cytanet, then you would need access to an account with one of these ISP to set up the tunneling. To spoof an IP address such that a post looks like it comes from one ISP, when in fact it has nothing to do with that IP address at all, is as I have said VERY difficult to do.

At least that is my understanding.

[respiridus]

erolz wrote: respiridus wrote: For the sake of accuracy, there is nothing difficult with spoofing your IP address. You only need to set up some kind of tunnelling between the computer you are using and a remote computer with a different IP address. A comon tool to achieve this is PPPoE.


And what IP address would show as being the source of the posts, if you had done this? The remote computer with the different IP address would show up as being the IP address of the posts, which is exactly my point. If the IP address showing as being where the post came from is from an ISP like superonline or cytanet, then you would need access to an account with one of these ISP to set up the tunneling. To spoof an IP address such that a post looks like it comes from one ISP, when in fact it has nothing to do with that IP address at all, is as I have said VERY difficult to do.

At least that is my understanding.

All you need is root access to a remote machine with a static IP address. I, for example, can easily do this, since I manage a couple of servers in the US. A person who has illegally gained access to such a server can also do it. And it is possible to configure the PPPoE server not to log anything, making it impossible to find the original IP address during a subsequent audit.