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Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

I believe the Turkish Cypriot legislature should reopen the Maronite villages listed below as soon as possible as the Maronites are not involved in the whole Graeco-Turkish dispute.

Greek Cypriots should be able to return too but after solution is found that can determine how many and which village etc etc...

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

doh! please disregard Kambyli / or hisarkoy

its not Kambyli, Kambyli used to be Maronite but for 200 years I think it has been Turkish Cypriot.

Sorry!

respiridus · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:30 pm Post subject:

How about implementing the Third Vienna agreement and allow the 20000-3000 Greek Cypriots who were living at Karpasia peninsula in 1975 go back? That would be a step in the right direction and not more "dangerous" than what you propose, since most Maronites today are absorbed into the Greek Cypriot community.

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

respiridus wrote: How about implementing the Third Vienna agreement and allow the 20000-3000 Greek Cypriots who were living at Karpasia peninsula in 1975 go back? That would be a step in the right direction and not more "dangerous" than what you propose, since most Maronites today are absorbed into the Greek Cypriot community.

i would happily let the greeks of karpas move back, as soon as the settlers are given housing, as we cant just throw them on the streets.

the maronite villages that i mentioned are used by the military but are otherwise empty, it would be much easier to accomadate a few thousand of them than 20,000 plus greeks, whose needs will be greater.

this idea was suggested by a maronite to me, besides we cannot do nothing and dismiss these people as assimilated and forget about them.

respiridus · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:49 pm Post subject:

MEHMET_OSMAN_KKTC wrote: respiridus wrote: How about implementing the Third Vienna agreement and allow the 20000-3000 Greek Cypriots who were living at Karpasia peninsula in 1975 go back? That would be a step in the right direction and not more "dangerous" than what you propose, since most Maronites today are absorbed into the Greek Cypriot community.

i would happily let the greeks of karpas move back, as soon as the settlers are given housing, as we cant just throw them on the streets.

the maronite villages that i mentioned are used by the military but are otherwise empty, it would be much easier to accomadate a few thousand of them than 20,000 plus greeks, whose needs will be greater.

this idea was suggested by a maronite to me, besides we cannot do nothing and dismiss these people as assimilated and forget about them.

No re, I didn't say your idea was bad, and I only characterized the Maronites assimilated to show that they could "cause you trouble" (please note the quotes) as much as the Greek Cypriots of Karpasia would. Basically, what I meant is that you should start allowing people back regardless of their ethnic origin. The problem with housing the settlers remains of course and I'm sure you'd never want to send them back to Turkey (as much as the Greek Cypriots would like you to) so things should be done on a case by case basis. [b]Without discrimination[b] of course.

Sorry for being mean again, but I somehow don't see Talat's administration doing this.

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

i think a case by case idea is good. but like i said its easier to house the maronites as their homes are empty. greek cypriots with with empty houses should be treated the same.

talat may do this sooner rather than later.

respiridus · Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject:

Yes, but Talat has the Turkish army and Turkish Cypriot nationalists to heed, so I don't think he'll do it any time soon. Hell, he admitted that his plan to give some Greek Cypriot property back was done to "stall" Greek Cypriots from going to the ECHR, just to appraise those military men and nationalists.

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

respiridus wrote: Yes, but Talat has the Turkish army and Turkish Cypriot nationalists to heed, so I don't think he'll do it any time soon. Hell, he admitted that his plan to give some Greek Cypriot property back was done to "stall" Greek Cypriots from going to the ECHR, just to appraise those military men and nationalists.

yes but maronites are spomewhat different, they already live in korucam and have elected their own muhtar. it is quite feasible that this can be upgraded to mp status.

garbitsch · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 767 Location: Cyprus

Mem, I think those villages are now within the military's forbidden zone. And there were some laws implemented for the return of Maronites I guess. I forgot the details, but they should turn back to their villages. Besides, there should be an independent institution for the Maronites, whose language is in the endangered languages list, and they should have schools in Maronite Arabic language. EU funds for Maronites can be used via Republic of Cyprus. Do you have any idea about the EU funds for minorities?

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

garbitsch wrote: Mem, I think those villages are now within the military's forbidden zone. And there were some laws implemented for the return of Maronites I guess. I forgot the details, but they should turn back to their villages. Besides, there should be an independent institution for the Maronites, whose language is in the endangered languages list, and they should have schools in Maronite Arabic language. EU funds for Maronites can be used via Republic of Cyprus. Do you have any idea about the EU funds for minorities?

i dont know about eu funds but i think we shouldnt seek those funds via the republic, either directly or not at all. otherwise should pay for it.

i had no idea there was already plans to do this. you see respiridus, talat is already one step ahead. :wink: