www.talkcyprus.org

[erolz]

Moderators note the following quote came from a discussion in this thread
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1343 (page 4)

Kifeas wrote: Brother, if you and all the rest in this forum, wish to continue quoting articles from this idiot called Lukas Charalambous and the Cyprus mail in general, then it is only fair that you also translate and quote Africa’s and Sener Levent’s articles from the north, which tell a totally different story than the one you want to cultivate here and with the help of the instrument of Anglo-American politics in Cyprus. If Cyprus mail would have been a Greek language newspaper, I doubt it would sell more than 100 pieces a day. At least Africa in the north sells some 2-3,000 pieces and in much smaller population pool.

Sorry Kifeas but are you saying that the Cyprus Mail is an istrument of Anglo-American politics in Cyprus?

If you are is this based on any actual facts, or simply on the thesis that anyone who has shown or shows any pro solution and pro Annan plan leaning MUST be an agent of Amercian / Anglo interests?

Could I not use the same approach to 'proove' that Senar Levant is actualy an instrument of Greek Cypriot politicis ?

[Bananiot]

Erol, I think now we run the risk of deviating from the subject. The CM is not the issue here.

[erolz]

Bananiot wrote: Erol, I think now we run the risk of deviating from the subject. The CM is not the issue here.
OK I have moved my question to Keifas to this seperate thread.

[respiridus]

I visited Cyprus Mail six months ago for business purposes. The manager of Cyprus Mail is a Greek Cypriot. The newspaper is stuffed mostly by Greek Cypriots raised in Cyprus, Greek Cypriots raised in the UK, and UK citizens who have been living in Cyprus for quite some time. There is certainly an "English" element in the paper's culture, but I can't say whether they support Anglo-American interests or not. I don't read the paper much.

[erolz]

respiridus wrote: I visited Cyprus Mail six months ago for business purposes. The manager of Cyprus Mail is a Greek Cypriot. The newspaper is stuffed mostly by Greek Cypriots raised in Cyprus, Greek Cypriots raised in the UK, and UK citizens who have been living in Cyprus for quite some time. There is certainly an "English" element in the paper's culture, but I can't say whether they support Anglo-American interests or not. I don't read the paper much.

I guess what I am saying here is I suspect that Kifeas simply discounts the Cyprus Mail, not because it IS an instrument of British or American politics, but simply because it supports and leans towards certain views and opinions through some of its journalists and editorialy (pro solution pro annan plan). Of course if he has evidence of British or American political 'involvment' in the Cyprus Mail (like funding etc) that would be another matter. However I suspect its simply a case of 'they express some pro Annan plan leanings therefor they MUST be instruments of foreign interests'.

Using thsi same 'standard' then any Turkish Cypriot that expresses 'minority' views about the Cyprus problem (like Senar Levant does) MUST be an instrument of foreign interests. Yet somehow this does not seem to be Kifeas opinion ? Or maybe I am being unfair. Mayvbe he does think Senar Levant is an instrument of foreign powers?

[andytandreou]

To be honest I believe that CM is offen too critical! That's all i have to say. I don't know if they are anglo/US oriented but they offen appear biased.

They took the side of the YES voters on the Annan plan and that says everything. Listen guys... it's not a philosophical question to say "was the Annan plan good or not?". The answer to that question is NO, the Annan plan was clearly a piece of rubbish that didn't solve a single problem in Cyprus and infact created more. At the very leaste, the Plan was incomlete and left many aspects of it open to differing interpretation.

CM offen believes that the Official Cyprus government stance is wrong simply because it's coming from Cypriots.

[erolz]

andytandreou wrote: To be honest I believe that CM is offen too critical! That's all i have to say. I don't know if they are anglo/US oriented but they offen appear biased.

It is one thing to say that the Cyprus Mail is too UK/US biased it is another thin entirely to claim it is an instrument of the UK/US.

andytandreou wrote:
They took the side of the YES voters on the Annan plan and that says everything. Listen guys... it's not a philosophical question to say "was the Annan plan good or not?". The answer to that question is NO, the Annan plan was clearly a piece of rubbish that didn't solve a single problem in Cyprus and infact created more. At the very leaste, the Plan was incomlete and left many aspects of it open to differing interpretation.

You state this as if it were indisputable fact. The reality is that this is an opinion. Yes it si a majority opinion amongst the Greek Cypriot community, but it is just that an opinion.

[respiridus]

There are many Greek Cypriots who are in favor of reunification but are against the Anan plan: I am one of them ;-) I think it was not only unworkable but also dangerous for a number of different reasons: no national army, guarrantor powers, no rational way to resolve inter-communal disagreements, etc.

BTW, I voted for YES, but this is another story...