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brother
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:58 pm Post subject: Cypriot Greek Admits: We Kept Turks in Ghettos |
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Quote: Mihalis Papapetrou, the leader of the United Democrats Movement in Cyprus, said they kept Turkish Cypriots in the ghettos between 1963 and 1974.
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20051107&hn=26143 |
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Bananiot
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Michalis Papapetrou is actually the new leader of EDI. He succeeded Vasiliou in the leadership of the party three weeks, or so, ago. He does not mince his words when he talks about the Cyprus problem and he is a fervent supporter of the theory that says that "the truth serves best the national interests". |
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brother
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Bananiot wrote: Michalis Papapetrou is actually the new leader of EDI. He succeeded Vasiliou in the leadership of the party three weeks, or so, ago. He does not mince his words when he talks about the Cyprus problem and he is a fervent supporter of the theory that says that "the truth serves best the national interests".
And that is what is missing from most cypriots litreture thus making it ever so difficult to accept the truth that stares us all in the face. |
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brother
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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This is a large reason to why the Turkish Cypriot do not trust and will find it hard to trust and feel safe.
This was not a short period of time and its physcological effects are, and will be with the many Turkish Cypriot and who will no doubt pass the experience through words to their children for many years to come. |
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Kifeas
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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brother wrote: This is a large reason to why the Turkish Cypriot do not trust and will find it hard to trust and feel safe.
This was not a short period of time and its physcological effects are, and will be with the many Turkish Cypriot and who will no doubt pass the experience through words to their children for many years to come.
Okay re! You do not trust us, don't trust us! What do you want? What do you suggest? Or you just want to play the blame game all the time? |
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brother
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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Kifeas wrote: brother wrote: This is a large reason to why the Turkish Cypriot do not trust and will find it hard to trust and feel safe.
This was not a short period of time and its physcological effects are, and will be with the many Turkish Cypriot and who will no doubt pass the experience through words to their children for many years to come.
Okay re! You do not trust us, don't trust us! What do you want? What do you suggest? Or you just want to play the blame game all the time?
The truth always hurts whoever you may be and the fact lies that trust is what makes or breaks people. |
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respiridus
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The "truth" is a double-edged sword: Greek Cypriots also don't trust Turkish Cypriots for a number of different reasons, including:
- Their collaboration with the English during the EOKA struggle.
- Their activities during and after the events of 1974.
The main point is, do we continue to not trust and blame each other, or do we put the past behind us and see what we can do with our future? |
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brother
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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respiridus wrote: The "truth" is a double-edged sword: Greek Cypriots also don't trust Turkish Cypriots for a number of different reasons, including:
- Their collaboration with the English during the EOKA struggle.
- Their activities during and after the events of 1974.
The main point is, do we continue to not trust and blame each other, or do we put the past behind us and see what we can do with our future?
What are you talking about what the Turkish Cypriot done ???????? |
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respiridus
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Quote: What are you talking about what the Turkish Cypriot done ????????
Do you want examples? I can offer lots, but as I said earlier the point is to stop blaiming each other.
Therefore, I prefer to only offer some titles:
1957: The kionelli massacre.
1974: The mass execution at Lysi.
1974: The mass execution at northern Dherynia.
No hard feelings :-) |
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brother
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respiridus wrote: Quote: What are you talking about what the Turkish Cypriot done ????????
Do you want examples? I can offer lots, but as I said earlier the point is to stop blaiming each other.
Therefore, I prefer to only offer some titles:
1957: The kionelli massacre.
1974: The mass execution at Lysi.
1974: The mass execution at northern Dherynia.
No hard feelings :-)
No hard feelings at all, people progress through talking and acknowledgement of past crimes etc. but unfortunately i am not fully aware of all the particulars of what you are refering too but i will not refute them either. :wink: |
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respiridus
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Quote: No hard feelings at all, people progress through talking and acknowledgement of past crimes etc. but unfortunately i am not fully aware of all the particulars of what you are refering too but i will not refute them ither.
Apart from the Kionelli massacre which is taught in schools as part of Cyprus history, most Greek Cypriots are also not very aware of these things either. This is because it has been the official policy of our government to accuse Turkey rather than the Turkish-Cypriots for war crimes committed in 1974. I happen to know "a little more" because of my involvement in the Pancyprian Organization of Relatives of Missing Persons, where I have heard many stories from people such as Mr. Nicos Sergides, who worked with the Red Cross during that time and has experienced things first hand.
As far as I can tell, most war crimes of 1974 against Greek Cypriots were committed by Turkish Cypriots rather than Turkish soldiers. This is understandable: Since the Turkish Cypriots had suffered in the ghettos for 11 years, they were the ones who wanted revenge (well, not all, some of them). Most of these Greek Cypriot victims are still not regarded as dead but rather as missing persons, as the atrocities were committed in the north and - therefore - their bodies were buried in unmarked mass graves.
At the moment, the list of Greek Cypriot missing persons numbers 1576. My uncle, Pantelis Nicolaou, is one of them. Recently, Mr. Talat has agreed to allow exhumations in two mass grave sites in the north.
In a TV interview back in 1996, Mr. Denktash publicly admitted the killing of most of the missing Greek Cypriots by Turkish Cypriots during the 1974 hostilities. Here is the article at politis (sorry about the Greek).
http://www.politis.com.cy/cgibin/hweb?-A=71608&-V=archive&-w=%D4%C1%D6%CF%C9@&-P |
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