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bg_turk · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1316 Location: Bulgaria

Will we see a United Cyprus in this life or the other?

Can you give your best estimate when you expect the problem to be resolved? Will it ever be resolved?

Crash Test Dummy · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 4911 Location: London(ish)

sorry to be harsha nd rude but when the rest of the world fucks off. Greece, Turkey, USA and every other country with a hidden adgenda should stop getting involved. One united Cyprus with a normal democratic government like a normal country.

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:38 pm Post subject:

Million Dollar question. I hate to be a pessimist but I do not see a resolution in the near future.The economic isolation of the north and the resounding "OXI" vote in 2004 by Greek Cypriots is further driving a wedge into any possible understanding that may be achieved. The Republic of Cyprus is part of the EU and their standard of living surpasses that of the north. In other words they have nothing to motivate them for a solution other than the 200000 refugees and their properties in the North. In a generation or two the refugees in the south will write off their properties in the north and visa versa and they will be content with a divided island.

The North will find ways to eliviate their economic isolation in the coming years thus further diminishing their need to unify the island. This has already begun. I think the biggest mistake the EU made was to let the Republic of Cyprus join the union without first finding a solution for a unified Cyprus imo. Each day that passes without a solution drives another nail into the coffin. But stranger things have happened and I hope I'm wrong with my predictions.

Kifeas · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:45 pm Post subject:

Xenos 2Fan wrote: The North will find ways to eliviate their economic isolation in the coming years thus further diminishing their need to unify the island. This has already begun. I think the biggest mistake the EU made was to let the Republic of Cyprus join the union without first finding a solution for a unified Cyprus imo. Each day that passes without a solution drives another nail into the coffin. But stranger things have happened and I hope I'm wrong with my predictions.

Before we became members of the EU, we had 30 years to find a solution and still did not find one. Do you know why?

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 8:51 pm Post subject:

Yes because both sides had thickheaded politicians.

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 9:01 pm Post subject:

Kifeas? Are you alright? Did that answer suffice? :lol:

Dhavlos · Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 4697 Location: Birmingham

when will cyprus be unified...when i come to power hehe :lol: !!

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1404 Location: Australia

Xenos 2Fan wrote:

The North will find ways to eliviate their economic isolation in the coming years thus further diminishing their need to unify the island. This has already begun. I think the biggest mistake the EU made was to let the Republic of Cyprus join the union without first finding a solution for a unified Cyprus imo. Each day that passes without a solution drives another nail into the coffin. But stranger things have happened and I hope I'm wrong with my predictions.

The North has already found ways to lift their economic performance.
They are building more casinos to attrack gamblers from all over the region(including the Greek Cypriots from the South),they are opening more brothels to cater for the needs of the male population the world over,and...oh,yes,they are building more and more apartments on land belonging to the Greek Cypriot refugees and selling to the English expats.
Not to forget the offshore banks to launder illegal money.
With giant steps like these why would they want to be united with the South.?

bg_turk · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1316 Location: Bulgaria

Birkibrisli wrote:
The North has already found ways to lift their economic performance.
They are building more casinos to attrack gamblers from all over the region(including the Greek Cypriots from the South),they are opening more brothels to cater for the needs of the male population the world over,and...oh,yes,they are building more and more apartments on land belonging to the Greek Cypriot refugees and selling to the English expats.
Not to forget the offshore banks to launder illegal money.
With giant steps like these why would they want to be united with the South.?

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is under embargo. What would you expect it to do? The prosperity of the south was built on tourism and banking largely due to its international recognition. Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was never given a chance to develop its own economy. Such a small country cannot develop without trade.

Under these conditions some people just resort to more shady businesses to sustain their income as os the case with the casinos, etc. If you lived in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus what would you do? Would you just wait with crossed hands that Greek Cypriots will stop their obstructionist attitude?

By the way, Birkibrisli, while you critisize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus over its attitude on the property issue, I am interested to know, since you are from the Paphos region, have you been able to reclaim your properties in the South? Do you expect the Republic of Cyprus to treat you fairly and return your land, even though you have nothing to do with the turkish occupation?

Birkibrisli · Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1404 Location: Australia

bg_turk wrote: Birkibrisli wrote:
The North has already found ways to lift their economic performance.
They are building more casinos to attrack gamblers from all over the region(including the Greek Cypriots from the South),they are opening more brothels to cater for the needs of the male population the world over,and...oh,yes,they are building more and more apartments on land belonging to the Greek Cypriot refugees and selling to the English expats.
Not to forget the offshore banks to launder illegal money.
With giant steps like these why would they want to be united with the South.?

Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is under embargo. What would you expect it to do? The prosperity of the south was built on tourism and banking largely due to its international recognition. Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus was never given a chance to develop its own economy. Such a small country cannot develop without trade.

Under these conditions some people just resort to more shady businesses to sustain their income as os the case with the casinos, etc. If you lived in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus what would you do? Would you just wait with crossed hands that Greek Cypriots will stop their obstructionist attitude?

By the way, Birkibrisli, while you critisize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus over its attitude on the property issue, I am interested to know, since you are from the Paphos region, have you been able to reclaim your properties in the South? Do you expect the Republic of Cyprus to treat you fairly and return your land, even though you have nothing to do with the turkish occupation?

Hello,bg_turk,
What I expect Turkish Cypriots to do is to stop turning Cyprus into a big bordello,and demand to get back their rights under the 1960 constitution.Then when trust is established to negotiate a new constitution to turn Cyprus into a truly democratic republic.A multicultural nation of Cypriots.

My families properties in the South have been frozen with some law till a solution can be found.Recently there were rumours that those who left before 1974 could claim back their properties in the South.But I think they were only rumours.Personally,I don't want to claim anything till the Greek Cypriot refugees can get their properties back in the North.It wouldn't be fair to them if we can reclaim ours but they can't.The only trouble is my mother is 86 now,and I don't know how long she can wait for a solution.
That's life for Cypriots,I suppose.

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2005 7:10 am Post subject:

Birkibrisli wrote: Xenos 2Fan wrote:

The North will find ways to eliviate their economic isolation in the coming years thus further diminishing their need to unify the island. This has already begun. I think the biggest mistake the EU made was to let the Republic of Cyprus join the union without first finding a solution for a unified Cyprus imo. Each day that passes without a solution drives another nail into the coffin. But stranger things have happened and I hope I'm wrong with my predictions.

The North has already found ways to lift their economic performance.
They are building more casinos to attrack gamblers from all over the region(including the Greek Cypriots from the South),they are opening more brothels to cater for the needs of the male population the world over,and...oh,yes,they are building more and more apartments on land belonging to the Greek Cypriot refugees and selling to the English expats.
Not to forget the offshore banks to launder illegal money.
With giant steps like these why would they want to be united with the South.?

Thank you! You have reduced turks to pimps and mafiosi on the island. Do you really believe that most Turkish Cypriots behave in this manner? Shame on you!!! When was the last time you were on the island or for arguements sake in Turkey? You keep pulling out these utopian notions out of your ass without any hardcore arguments. If you want to donate your ancestors' land to the Greek Cypriots you are welcome to do so but don't expect for the rest of the Turkish Cypriots to do so. You want the Turkish Cypriots to take a leap of faith without a reciprocation by the Greek Cypriots. Why don't you write off your rights to your lands to Greek Cypriot's? Let's get rid of the Turkish army and let's see what happens to Turkish Cypriot's in a year or two.. It's called assimilation. The Army shall remain until you find a solution to this problem. The Army shall remain until the Turkish Cypriot's feel they are safe. Take a long look at my avatar. I do not want barriers I want equality!!!!!!

Have you seen some of the posts by young Turkish Cypriot's about their faith? They are mostly atheists while Greek Cypriots adhere to their faith. They are made to feel inferior in their beliefs by people like you. You have no understanding of the Turkish frame of mind.

PAul · Joined: 10 Oct 2005 Posts: 151

Xenos 2Fan

Well said, U R 100% correct, The Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus has done extremely well under the circumstances they find themselves in, through no fault of their own.

They were forced into this situation and instead of blaming everyone else for their predicament; they have got on with their lives and created a lovely country, AGAINST THE ODDS.

I wish them all the best for the future. and if they can be this good under these intolerable embargoes, just imagine how their economy will flourish once they achieve recognition!

city · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 3369 Location: Larnaca area

bg_turk wrote: Will we see a United Cyprus in this life or the other?

Can you give your best estimate when you expect the problem to be resolved? Will it ever be resolved?

I don't think we will see a United Cyprus anytime soon. There are too many opposed interests, to many parties involved that only care for their needs not for the island's and not to mention the tensions between the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot population.....

btw, bg_turk am I wrong or did you change your signature? I think I liked the previous one better.....

Dhavlos · Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 4697 Location: Birmingham

In my opinion, the cyprus problem will not be solved when any element of the old generation are still in power. In my eyes, a solution will come from 'my' generation,to say, no one who was born before the 80s.

CY · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 601 Location: London/Warwick

power to 80s people...!

the truth said there is no way that we are going to have a solution until the next 10-20 yrs at least.

Ive spoken to lost of family/friends about this of the "older" generation and they really dont have any motivation anymore that most of them would rather leave things how they are.