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snobieone · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 21

hi all...i mentioned that i would be moving to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus in 2007...well it looks like ill be living in edremit...checked out the local school...really pleased with the sylabus ..includes multicultural awarness...language..they suggest my children will be talking behind my back within a few months...in fact they will be talking in front of me within a few months....hmmm..is this a good idea....lol...anyone any info on edremit..local eating..drinking etc.......snobie... :)

andytandreou · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 239 Location: Larnaka

what amazes me is that you asked this same question in another forum and YOU HAVE SEEN FIRST HAND the type of reaction it can spark up...!!!

I know you don't care about the politics behind the situation but at least appreciate the controversy of this subject!

Instead of asking about the food and drink, wouldn't it be more appropriate to ask something along the lines of "Will I keep my property after a solution to the Cyprus problem?". Surely THIS possibility would be on the top of your mind right now, instead of food and drink!

I get the feeling that you have an attitude of "I bought property in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and I want to rub it in your faces"!!!

cannedmoose · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:13 am Post subject:

Hold your horses Andy... how do you know that the property Snobie has bought is not land owned pre-1974 by Turkish Cypriots or foreigners. If it is indeed land that was owned by Greek Cypriots then I too share your sentiments that to an extent this is 'rubbing it in people's faces', but remember that not all land in the north is Greek Cypriot land.

snobieone · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 21

no i havent been in other forums and asked that question....i have asked about buying a home there...what i have seen are arguments many of them offensive from both interests and i really dont want to be part of that ...im was looking for a forum without this albeit in some areas justified reaction....i will continue to look......rubbing ones nose in something in suggests some form of emotive agenda......there may be some individuals who would delight in that.......whilst i accept there are difficulties and certainly some very emotive issues this in my opinion is valid for both the turkish cyproits and greek cypriots.....ive asked about the land ..im advised the owner has been compensated..it is my choice and ive read all the arguments for and against ....it is not my intention to upset anyone.......i will everyone who like me would like to move and live there and contribute to both Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot be subject to the same circular arguments..... my family and i are moving to Northern Cyprus to... i hope make a useful contribution...is it so wrong to ask about the simple things..yes i accept it is important to many who feel agrieved but does it all have to revolve around the problems........snobie.

cannedmoose · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:56 pm Post subject:

snobieone wrote: yes i accept it is important to many who feel agrieved but does it all have to revolve around the problems........snobie.

As much as I hate to admit this snobie... yes it does. The more you become familiar with Cypriots, the more you'll appreciate how everything revolves around the problem. I hope what you've been told about the owner being compensated is true. If so, I wish you best luck in your forthcoming move to the island.

Dhavlos · Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 4697 Location: Birmingham

You should really check snobie for any official records, not by the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, if the person has been compensated. Its a tricky issue, and if they say they were compensated, they may mean they were given other housing, 'temporarily'/refugee housing/an abandoned Turkish Cypriot house.

Whenever they say someone has been compensated, i really dont beleive them(the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus authorities)....probably just my greek cypriotness coming out, not trusting!

snobieone · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 21

ive pressed the developer and their English representatives on this particular issue and they assure me they have the original deeds and the owner has been fully compendsated....if it is possible then i will ask who and ask them direct....im saddened but underastand a little..i accept i can never fully appreciate how Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot feel......the people fvrom my albeit very limited experience appear genuine, helpful and generally nice in both north and south of the island and im sure they want a fair and just settlement...however... from my experience politics and honesty are strange bedfellows...i will move on...good luck with your forum and thanks...snobie...

cannedmoose · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject:

snobieone wrote: from my experience politics and honesty are strange bedfellows...i will move on...good luck with your forum and thanks...snobie...

Very true indeed. If you stick around, I'm sure someone will be able to advise you on the area that you are moving to. Unfortunately, property and land is the most contentious issue in the entire Cyprus problem, hence it is unlikely that your search for information will be de-politicised.

snobieone · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 21

yes...sadly...cheerio,,,snobie

Kifeas · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:53 pm Post subject:

cannedmoose wrote: snobieone wrote: yes i accept it is important to many who feel agrieved but does it all have to revolve around the problems........snobie.

As much as I hate to admit this snobie... yes it does. The more you become familiar with Cypriots, the more you'll appreciate how everything revolves around the problem. I hope what you've been told about the owner being compensated is true. If so, I wish you best luck in your forthcoming move to the island.

Being one of the victims of this theft (yes, theft committed by the Turkey,) I re-confirm once more that I was neither compensated for my properties in the north, nor I was ever been proposed to be compensated, nor I would have ever accepted to trade my property rights for a mere compensation. I would perhaps concede and accept the exchange of SOME of my property in the north for the mere purpose of facilitating a solution -should a Turkish Cypriot that moved from the south and settled in the north -30 years ago, has been using this property for his family housing needs or has been using this property in order to make a living for his family. I will NEVER accept the loss or exchange of even one square meter of my properties for the sole purpose of legitimizing or facilitating the illegal and opportunistic acts of Turkish Cypriot and foreign "developers" and /or foreign "buyers" that has taken or is currently taking place in the north. This is how I feel and this is how the vast majority of Greek Cypriots, perhaps with the exception of Bananiot, feel about the whole issue. Thanks god we are perfectly covered and backed up by all the relevant international, EU and human rights laws in this respect.

Moose, it is about time you act more sincerely!
You said you hope that what s/he has been told about the owner been compensated is true. You do not know whether it is true or not? I claim that you know perfectly well that this is not true, or at least you SHOULD have known that it is not true! S/he also knows quite well that what s/he was told is not true, because I know by fact that this not one of the argument that those crooks are currently using. They used to do so but not any more. The argument they are using now is the property provisions of the nullified and invalidated Annan plan.

Snobieone! You “bought” property in a Greek Cypriot village /area which for the previous at least one thousand years it was called "Tremithie," and only for the last 30 years it is “called” "Edremit." Chances are that you “bought” a property which those that “sold” it to you did not have the right to do so, simply because the property did not belong to them. According to the council of Europe and the European Court of Human Rights, which Turkey and the UK government, being an EU member, have a duty to respect its decisions; the Greek Cypriot properties in the north continue and will always continue to belong (unless they alone, themselves and on an individual basis decide to do otherwise) to the original Greek Cypriot owners, (read case of Loizidou vs. Turkey.)

Snobieone! The Annan plan was a mere solution PROPOSAL that was prepared under the supervision and guidance of Lord Haney, Thomas Weston and Alvaro De Soto and which not even the UN SC did not dare to endorse, simply because it contradicted with their own resolutions and the UN charter. The Annan plan was rejected by the Greek Cypriots and thus, by its own definition, it has been NULLIFIED from a legal aspect. One of the prime reasons it was rejected was due to its ridiculously scandalous provisions in relation to the issue of properties. If the Greek Cypriots, in spite the tremendous political and other pressure that they had been subjected in order to accommodate it, had not been made to accept it then, there is no way they will ever accept it now that the whole of Cyprus is a member of the EU.

snobieone · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 21

thanks....snobie

cannedmoose · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:10 pm Post subject:

Kifeas wrote: Moose, it is about time you act more sincerely!
You said you hope that what s/he has been told about the owner been compensated is true. You do not know whether it is true or not? I claim that you know perfectly well that this is not true, or at least you SHOULD have known that it is not true! S/he also knows quite well that what s/he was told is not true, because I know by fact that this not one of the argument that those crooks are currently using. They used to do so but not any more. The argument they are using now is the property provisions of the nullified and invalidated Annan plan.

Re, never having had any dealings with property in Northern Cyprus, I do not 'know perfectly well that this is not true'. However, as I said, I hope that what snobie has been told is true for his/her own sake. I agree with you that it is highly unlikely that the original owner has received any compensation and thus snobie could be sitting on a potential lawsuit in the future. Once again, you seem to assume that I'm making a judgement call and tacitly encouraging snobie to progress down the line of buying property. If you read my original post more carefully however, you'll note that I said:

Quote: If it is indeed land that was owned by Greek Cypriots then I too share your sentiments that to an extent this is 'rubbing it in people's faces'

I do not, have never, and will never support the purchase of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus-title land, particularly by non-Cypriots. Anyone who does purchase such property must do so in the knowledge that they may lose the land in the future or will be required to pay compensation to the original owners.

I hope that's a clear enough statement of position for you Kifeas. :roll:

Snobie, if you're still watching, I told you it was a can of worms.

Kifeas · Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject:

Moose, you do not have to have ever dealt with properties in the north in order to be able -by now, to know that this is not true. You have been in the forums quite long to have been able to know that this is not true. May I ask you then, why all these long and elaborating provisions in the unethical, illegitimate and nullified Annan plan that “attempted” to regulate the property and property compensation issues, if the Greek Cypriot owners had already been compensated –as the crook attempted to suggest to Snobieone in order to cheat on her/him?

Snobieone, do not worry for going to loose the property you “bought” and perhaps the money you paid. You are legitimised and perfectly entitled to sue the unethical British government (I assume you are British) for not giving you complete and fully accurate information on the whole matter and instead they resorted to hermaphrodite descriptions in their travel advice section of their foreign ministry website, which could have let to misleading interpretations by you as a subject. I already asked lawyers on this matter and believe me, you have a good case against them!

snobieone · Joined: 18 Sep 2005 Posts: 21

i didnt realise i would generate so much heat....to clear up a point the company did not mention the annan plan in their sales pitch....i looked at N cyprus...i saw a house i looked at the company..i visited ..and decided to buy a house...not as an investment..i dont care about making money.....in my limited research i became aware of that plan and that it was rejected by some and supported by others..it remains a plan... what happens in the future is anyones guess....at least with the proposal for turkey to entere the eu and accompanying framework to include the cyprus issue this will be interesting....i am aware of the risks involved and the potential for compensation....i will continue to plan to live in the north of cyprus and hope that the problems as viewed by both Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot are dealt with in a fair and just manner for all concerned....im sure my family and i can contribute..... maybe in a small way...who knows....thanks for your interest.......snobie

Crash Test Dummy · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 4911 Location: London(ish)

We can argue about the legality of the purchase forever and a day but just double check everything everybody tells you. They are after your money, after that you are on your own.