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Xenos 2Fan

I found this article interesting as it relates to MEHMET'S PLAN 1. Does anyone know how many Turkish workers reside on the island and what percentage of those workers have earned citizenship to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus?

It is also interesting that the Turkish Cypriots are adhering to the Annan Plan's outline of 45000 limit for citizenship in the north especially since the south rejected the plan.

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=26208

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

They know that eventually if any solution is agreed it WILL be on the lines of the annan plan and hence are trying to stick to those guidelines imo.

garbitsch · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 767 Location: Cyprus

I remember 20,000 workers going back to Turkey this summer. I figured the difference since the streets of Lefkosa city centre looked so empty :lol:

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2005 2:42 pm Post subject:

What if the Greek Cypriots can't live with the number of 45000 if and when talks resume? Do they revoke citizenship from those poor bastards?

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

Can the Turkish Cypriots live with them? is a better question.

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 3:41 am Post subject:

MEHMET_OSMAN_KKTC wrote: Can the Turkish Cypriots live with them? is a better question.

What's that supposed to mean? Is this your little superiority complex coming to light again? You are going to-have-to-live-with-them FULL STOP! You would have Indians, Jamaicans, Africans as neighbors but not Turks? Turks that basically saved your family's ass? When Turkish Cypriots were running and hiding in caves, Indians, jamaicans and africans didn't come to your rescue. No one did. Turks did. Maybe we should have stayed away and let you unite with Greece. I wonder if you would have been born in that case. I really don't understand you sometimes. :roll:

garbitsch · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 767 Location: Cyprus

Yes we can live them. The problem is 2fan, the ones who keep coming to Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus are usually poor people, who usually commit various crimes. There should be control of flowing immigrants from Turkey. If Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is an independent state, it should have its own rules to control illegal immigration into its territory, either from Turkey or from other parts of the world.

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Thu Oct 20, 2005 1:48 pm Post subject:

I agree Garbitch. I am talking about the good, hardworking settlers that adhere to the law. And I also agree that the north should and must implement new immigration laws. But just because a person is poor does not make them less of a person or a bad person for that matter.

garbitsch · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 767 Location: Cyprus

Well, most of the poor immigrants engage in criminal actions. That was my point. Of course, already naturalised citizens will not be affected by this current situation. It's just a measure taken to prevent further chaos. Turkish Cypriots even started showing reaction to anyone from Turkey because of the increasing level of crime rate, and this worries me a lot!

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

Quote: What's that supposed to mean? Is this your little superiority complex coming to light again? You are going to-have-to-live-with-them FULL STOP! You would have Indians, Jamaicans, Africans as neighbors but not Turks? Turks that basically saved your family's ass? When Turkish Cypriots were running and hiding in caves, Indians, jamaicans and africans didn't come to your rescue. No one did. Turks did. Maybe we should have stayed away and let you unite with Greece. I wonder if you would have been born in that case. I really don't understand you sometimes.

I take offence to your claim that we hid in caves, many Turkish Cypriots died fighting for their freedom long before Turkey came to Cyprus for her own reasons.

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2005 3:11 am Post subject:

You need to get your head out of the sand and face certain realities. Frankly I find some of your posts offensive especially when one does not agree with you on the world according to Mehmet. Yes many Turkish Cypriots perished defending their properties but many more would have perished if Turkey didn't show up.

Please feel free and ask your relatives how many petrified Turkish Cypriots were forced to leave their homes and hide. As you so kindly point out about yourself, I am not being hateful or belittle Turkish Cypriots I am simply stating facts. Do you really believe that Turkish Cypriots would have survived if the unintelligent, uncultured Turk did not show up? How cultured was the Turkish Cypriot up until 74?You were second class citizens working for Greek Cypriots. We guaranteed your "culture" and your freedom. Truth is a bitter pill to swallow. This is all I have to say to you Mehmet. By the way my name is Tufan.

PS. Ask some of the older Turkish Cypriots on this forum that were around in 74 how they felt when the Turkish Army "invaded" your island and "stole" property.

brother · Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 8920 Location: London/Cyprus

Xenos 2Fan wrote: You need to get your head out of the sand and face certain realities. Frankly I find some of your posts offensive especially when one does not agree with you on the world according to Mehmet. Yes many Turkish Cypriots perished defending their properties but many more would have perished if Turkey didn't show up.

Please feel free and ask your relatives how many petrified Turkish Cypriots were forced to leave their homes and hide. As you so kindly point out about yourself, I am not being hateful or belittle Turkish Cypriots I am simply stating facts. Do you really believe that Turkish Cypriots would have survived if the unintelligent, uncultured Turk did not show up? How cultured was the Turkish Cypriot up until 74?You were second class citizens working for Greek Cypriots. We guaranteed your "culture" and your freedom. Truth is a bitter pill to swallow. This is all I have to say to you Mehmet. By the way my name is Tufan.

PS. Ask some of the older Turkish Cypriots on this forum that were around in 74 how they felt when the Turkish Army "invaded" your island and "stole" property.

When the Turkish army came there was jubilation among the Turkish Cypriot, we knew that we were going to be saved, we knew we did not need to hide, we knew that the large scale massacres would stop, we knew that no more men were going to be marched out at gunpoint and be buried, we knew FREEDOM had arrived via the Turkish army.

Mehmet i was around and saw some of the horrors and as a child they did very much disturb me, i watched a Greek Cypriot soilder beat my mother so she would tell him where my father was to take him away to be executed, his crime was being a Turkish Cypriot and nothing else, i remember my mothers screams and afterwards i saw her cuts and bruises, that Greek Cypriot soilder felt like a man beating a women who was also shielding my brother and me.

So 'YES' we the Turkish Cypriot were VERY happy and grateful for the turkish army coming and saving us from almost most certain pain, misery and death.

By the way we was in Tohni and many cousins and uncles of mine were not so lucky as my father and many of my younger cousins all grew up without fathers or older brothers and their only crime was being Turkish Cypriot.

p.s none of the men and older boys taken by the EOKA murderers were soilders or TMT members just honest and decent people trying to survive the horrors bought to our doorsteps by the Greek Cypriot.

Bullika · Joined: 29 Sep 2005 Posts: 3025 Location: World

Quote: You need to get your head out of the sand and face certain realities. Frankly I find some of your posts offensive especially when one does not agree with you on the world according to Mehmet. Yes many Turkish Cypriots perished defending their properties but many more would have perished if Turkey didn't show up.

Please feel free and ask your relatives how many petrified Turkish Cypriots were forced to leave their homes and hide. As you so kindly point out about yourself, I am not being hateful or belittle Turkish Cypriots I am simply stating facts. Do you really believe that Turkish Cypriots would have survived if the unintelligent, uncultured Turk did not show up? How cultured was the Turkish Cypriot up until 74?You were second class citizens working for Greek Cypriots. We guaranteed your "culture" and your freedom. Truth is a bitter pill to swallow. This is all I have to say to you Mehmet. By the way my name is Tufan.

PS. Ask some of the older Turkish Cypriots on this forum that were around in 74 how they felt when the Turkish Army "invaded" your island and "stole" property.

OK Sorry, Thank you Tufan for lıberatıng my country, I am ındebted to you forever. Indeed we were second class under the Greek Cyprıots, I agree wıth you 100%.

However where we dıffer ıs your claım that you guaranteed our freedom, I dont see ıt that way, I m sorry ıf I sound lıke an ungrateful lıttle cyprıot turk. I keep thınkıng of the 6000 maınlanders shıpped overnıght and regıstered ın tıme to vote for an electıon the next day, somethıng that was planned by Turkey to dısenfranchıse T/Cs. Is thıs guaranteeıng our "freedom" ın your eyes?

Or how about sendıng your poorest cıtızens here and a certaın number of crımınals and gıvıng them free housıng? they pay no taxes, rent nothıng. ın the past they had more rıghts than turkısh cyprıots. ıs thıs guaranteeıng our culture.

Truth ıs ındeed a hard pıll to swallow.