Proposal for the Federal Legislatibg House (Parliament.)

[Kifeas]

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas for me as a Turkish Cypriot your structure is riddled with dangers for us and open to manipulation of which issues constitute level 1 2 3, that's why I'm not giving you specific issues as they could be contorted to end up in levels 2 and 3 where Turkish Cypriots could be by passed to pss laws that they would heavily be opposed not only that it may effect Turkish Cypriots negatively but all laws. Seeing that you have not admitted that you overlooked the fact that level 2 & 3 are totally Greek Cypriot dominated (taking into account the 3 which all reside in the south) then I take it that you did this knowingly and for me this just confirms my worst fears of Greek Cypriots and their desire not to share decisions equally but camouflage traps in order to gain an advantage over Turkish Cypriots, would you accept it the other way around where those 2 levels were under the total control of Turkish Cypriots??

[Birkibrisli]

My Dear Kifeas, I take my hat to you for trying to get through to Viewpoint and those who think like him/her in the NOrth.But you are wasting your time and I think you probably know that. Nothing short of the veto power on every single issue/legislation will satisfy Viewpoint and Co.As you know they are bent on having their own state for the sake of hanging a Turkish flag from every flagpole and house wall.
Talking about flags,do you know that a Turkish Cypriot in the North who hang the Cyprus flag on his house on our republic day was arrested and spent a night in jail recently? The police confiscated his Cyprus flag and he is now threatening them with going to the European Human Rights court to get his beloved flag back,plus an apology.So it is all right to have a Cyprus passport,go and work in the South,but you cannot hang the Cyprus flag in the North.What hypocrisy!
So save your time and energy.I am coming to the conclusion that those of us who live abroad and wish for a united Cyprus before returning permanently have two options: To stay where we are and hope for a just and lasting solution before we die,or to return and live in the Republic of Cyprus and pretend we have a united country. Maybe that is the answer to everyone's question.Maybe everyone who wants a united Cyprus should move from the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to the Republic of Cyprus as well,and we can get on with forging our Cypriot identity without the likes of Viewpoint vetoing every proposal for unification.That would leave the North to the settlers and the likes of Viewpoint who in my opinion deserve each other(with my apologies to the settlers if that commend has offended them).

[-mikkie2-]

Birkibrisli,

The fact is, the Turkish Cypriot's for so many years have been brainwashed into mistrusting and hating their compatriots, so it is virtually impossible to break down this barrier where the Turkish Cypriot's would want to have a veto right on everything that goes on in the country. Unfortunately, having a system where a veto can be exercised will simply lead us to the tragedies of the past.

There appears to be no want to from either side to build trust. Opening the borders is not enough. The best way for trust to be built os to agrre to the opening of famagusta port for use by both communities and the return of Varosha. This would be the ideal way to actually have the two communities working together for a common goal. That way trust can be built and that way we can move on to better things.

The insitance of the Turkish Cypriot's to want to control every aspect of life simply shows the unwillingness to actually bridge the divide. Talk of 'unification' by the Turkish Cypriot's rings very hollow to me. The progressive forces of both sides of the divide are being suppressed on the one hand by Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot political leadership in the north, and to be frank, by general appathy in the population in the south. Unless these things change - and it will take bold leaders from each side to make the change - then nothing or much worse things will happen. If Cypriots don't t ake control of their own destiny then others will simply manipulate Cyprus for their own ends.

[erolz]

[Viewpoint]

On the one hand you want to trust Greek Cypriots in order to build a better future but our mutual history holds you back, its always in the back of your mind will we be able to trust each other, when will Greek Cypriots try to get the upper hand and push us out of Government and authority.. Our unique situation and being a numerical minority makes us extra extra careful when it comes to issues that will reduce our effectiveness/power in a united Cyprus. Having our hands tied in a time of crisis fuels our need to question everything which under normal circumstances you would not even think of twice.
The image of the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot has to be readdressed to show positivity towards each other, imo the reverse has occurred over the past 2 years as however much individuals interact on a personal level the political personification of each leadership cancels out and positive advances Yorgo and Mehmet may make on a personal level.
For example for me Papadop is a Ex Eoka Turk hater who will do everything to reduce us to minority level in a Greek state. I would never trust anything he has to say even if he said we will recognize the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus I would ask whats the trick, he must be doing something underhand against Turkish Cypriot interests. He maybe genuine in what hes say but his image and personification precedes him so that no Turkish Cypriot could ever trust him with their cat let alone their future. The same could be said of Denktas for Greek Cypriots.

[Viewpoint]

Delete Double Post.

[Birkibrisli]

[-mikkie2-]

I think the responses I have received prove my point!

If you can't make the sacrifice to trust us, and likewise us trust you, then there is absolutely no point sitting here discussing anything. If people can't 'think out of the box' and simply rely on the experiences of 30-40 years ago to define our future then there is absolutely no hope of a unified Cyprus.

[Xenos 2Fan]

Birkibrisli,

I've been looking for this poem but have not found it ....yet. But I shall. With all due respect and to put this title into perspective the definition of "Kin" is not hatred. It is much closer to "nourishing or perpetuating a grudge or ill feelings" after someone has done something to you. All/any Turkish linguists may correct me if I am wrong.

[brother]

[Birkibrisli]

2Fan/brother,merhabalar
Lets not get hang up on the dictionary definitions of "Kin".
Wait till you read the poem,then we will talk.
Surely someone living in Cyprus must have a copy,or know where to find it.Viewpoint?Are you there?Viewpoint?Hello?

[Kifeas]

I think I know this poem that Birkibrisli is talking about but what I read in a book is that it was being broadcasted to the Turkish troops through the speakers of the landing ships all along their journey from Turkey to Cyprus to take part in the 1974 invasion. It was confessed /explained in a book written by and ex-Turkish army officer who took part in the 1974 operations and gave his testimony while he was living in France.

I believe it goes like this.

"As long as this raunchy (dirty) greek exists on this planet
For Allah's sake, I cannot get over from this rancour.
...........
Not even one thousand heads from the Greeks
cannot wash out this rancour.
............................."

and repeats several times the 2nd and 4th lines.

[Xenos 2Fan]

[Xenos 2Fan]