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erolz
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Who are these 5000 (Greek Cypriot) refugess that got 'title deeds'. Did they get them in lieu of property lost in the North in 74? Where any of these deeds for property on land that used to be Turkish Cypriot pre 74?
I was not aware of such things having happend in the south. Any more info on this would be most appreciated. |
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brother
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| What is happening here is nothing to do with 'exchanging' property that these people lost in 1974. The property in question is refugee housing that was built after 1974, most probably on government owned land. This is NOT the same as distributing usurped property, as is the case with the authorities in the north. |
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erolz
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Thanks for the info mikkie. I am just trying to get this straight in my head as this is all 'news to me'. A coupel of questions.
Can you be absolutely sure than none of these properties are built on land that was Turkish Cypriot pre 74?
So as I understand it then some Greek Cypriot refugess have been given 'free' title deeds to property in the south because of their refugee status and they still maintain all thier claimed rights to any property they may have lost in the north when they became a refugee? is that correct?
How were the '5000' chosen? it does strike me as unfair that some refugees have recived 'free' property and other have not? Is there any justification as to this difference in treatment of some refugess vs others? |
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Hi Erol,
I said probably built on state land. I very much doubt that the government would give title deeds to property that is built on Turkish Cypriot land. We have a guadian of Turkish Cypriot property that ensures any Turkish Cypriot land is protected. There is refugee housing built on Turkish Cypriot land but the land still belongs to the Turkish Cypriot's as per the government policy. If ever there is a solution then those Turkish Cypriot's will have the right to reclaim their property irrespective of what is built on the land.
Of course the refugees maintain their rights to their property in the north irrespective of what the government may have done regarding giving title deeds in the south. This is NOT exchanging property lost. Most refugee housing is apartment blocks which could not adequately compensate anyone that had lots of land or property. I don't know the details of the criteria, but I would assume that it is people that had absolutely nothing or were very poor. |
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brother
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| -mikkie2- wrote: |
| What is happening here is nothing to do with 'exchanging' property that these people lost in 1974. The property in question is refugee housing that was built after 1974, most probably on government owned land. This is NOT the same as distributing usurped property, as is the case with the authorities in the north. |
Ermmm...mikkie my wifes parents lands have been usurped and many houses built on them and REFUGEES are living in them, you can fool others but not me, i know the truth. |
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For Gods sake brother. Why don't you read my posts properly? I wish you would not twist what I am trying to say.
Your land is still yours. Have title deeds of property built on your land been given away?
I qualified my statements by saying that some refugee housing was built on Turkish Cypriot land. However, I am also saying that title deeds cannot be given to people that live on such land. Prove me wrong and I will shut up! I am not trying to fool anybody. |
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brother
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| -mikkie2- wrote: |
For Gods sake brother. Why don't you read my posts properly? I wish you would not twist what I am trying to say.
Your land is still yours. Have title deeds of property built on your land been given away?
I qualified my statements by saying that some refugee housing was built on Turkish Cypriot land. However, I am also saying that title deeds cannot be given to people that live on such land. Prove me wrong and I will shut up! I am not trying to fool anybody. |
They(Republic of Cyprus) will not indulge that info to us and they(inlaws) are currently looking for ways to find that out. |
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Kifeas
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| brother wrote: |
| It seems that the Greek Cypriot are to make twice over in the event of a solution. |
What the hell do you mean by that,,,,brother? |
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brother
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| It seems that the Greek Cypriot are to make twice over in the event of a solution. |
What the hell do you mean by that,,,,brother? |
You left land/home behind in the north which still belongs to you, you cross to the south get given refugee housing of which title deeds are given, and when you get your land/home or compensation back for your properties in the north you will have made twice...correct. |
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Kifeas
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| -mikkie2- wrote: |
| What is happening here is nothing to do with 'exchanging' property that these people lost in 1974. The property in question is refugee housing that was built after 1974, most probably on government owned land. This is NOT the same as distributing usurped property, as is the case with the authorities in the north. |
It involves a number of apartments in some (not all) refugee settlements (3rd degree ghettos) that were build on government land after 1974. Klerides government, some 10 years ago, decided to give title deeds to the refugees that were living in those apartments, mainly because it was costing the government too much to keep maintaining them and they though that by giving title deeds out they would get reed of this hassle and cost. The government started giving title deeds but after some time the opposition passed a law in the parliament which forced the government to discontinue this process, mainly on the assumption that not all refugees could be able to get title deeds, since some of them were living in such settlements that were build on Turkish Cypriot land, some of them bought their own houses already and they were not living in government donated apartments and some of them were living in Turkish Cypriot houses which made it impossible for them to get title deeds. The parliament decided, among other reasons, that this would have constituted a discriminatory act between those who could get titled deeds and those who couldn't get. As a result, this deed granting was discontinued and only about 5,000 people got this benefit.
Nevertheless, brother, we are talking about some 3rd rate apartments in some very badly constructed settlements - due to the rushing up to build them as soon as possible after 1974, that you wouldn't pay even 10,000 sterling to buy one. |
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Kifeas
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| brother wrote: |
| Kifeas wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| It seems that the Greek Cypriot are to make twice over in the event of a solution. |
What the hell do you mean by that,,,,brother? |
You left land/home behind in the north which still belongs to you, you cross to the south get given refugee housing of which title deeds are given, and when you get your land/home or compensation back for your properties in the north you will have made twice...correct. |
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Kifeas
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| erolz wrote: |
Thanks for the info mikkie. I am just trying to get this straight in my head as this is all 'news to me'. A coupel of questions.
Can you be absolutely sure than none of these properties are built on land that was Turkish Cypriot pre 74?
So as I understand it then some Greek Cypriot refugess have been given 'free' title deeds to property in the south because of their refugee status and they still maintain all thier claimed rights to any property they may have lost in the north when they became a refugee? is that correct?
How were the '5000' chosen? it does strike me as unfair that some refugees have recived 'free' property and other have not? Is there any justification as to this difference in treatment of some refugess vs others? |
Absolutely none of these apartments for which title deeds were given was built on Turkish Cypriot land.
Furthermore, to put the record straight, only very few refugee settlements were built on Turkish Cypriot land, I think there is 1 in Pafos which took about 10 donums of land, 2 in Limassol which shouldn’t have taken more than 25-30 donums of land and perhaps 1 or 2 in Larnaka, again of a similar size. All together, I doubt that more than 60-80 donums of Turkish Cypriot land was taken for such use and this is out of the 415,000 donums of the total Turkish Cypriot land in the south. Figure out what percentage it makes as my calculator cannot display the result. |
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brother
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| Kifeas wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| It seems that the Greek Cypriot are to make twice over in the event of a solution. |
What the hell do you mean by that,,,,brother? |
You left land/home behind in the north which still belongs to you, you cross to the south get given refugee housing of which title deeds are given, and when you get your land/home or compensation back for your properties in the north you will have made twice...correct. |
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Laugh as much as you want, it still the truth that some will make twice out of it or will they be expected to give them back, not a chance and you know it hence your disguised laughing. |
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