GÍBRÍZLÍDJA

Bullika · Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:12 pm Post subject:

I think the difference is more than between the queens english and cockney-i cant understand istabulite turks, let alone black sea laz people or esp people from the south east like ibrahim tatlises (kurdish singer). I reckon the difference is more like danish vs norwegian. norwegian is very similar to danish but based on country/folk language, its much more informal and colloquial, and not as formal as Danish-norway is also cut off from denmark by sea, as is cyprus and turkey. But like kibrislica and turkish they are mutually intelligible.

the guy who made the site, i saw it advertised on the cyprus forum some time ago, u know the old one, has written something about it somewhere in his posts, entitled "Understanding Gibrizlija". below is the link

http://liberasjonjurnali.blogspot.com/2004_12_01_liberasjonjurnali_archive.html

garbitsch · Mukhtar/is Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 767 Location: Cyprus

Well, although Turkish Cypriot dialect sound very different than the standard Turkish, it is not much distinctive. Of course there are many words inherited from Greek, English and Italian, but still I hardly hear from Turks that they do not understand our dialect. The word order is different. Standard Turkish is "Subject Object Verb", but Turkish Cypriot dialect is mostly "Subject Verb Object" or "Verb Subject Object". Additionally, the tenses seem differ, since Turks in Turkey usually prefer present continuous for the events happening now, but T.Cs prefer present tense. Also, standard Turkish has question tags, but T.C dialect lacks it. Lets give some examples:

Ben o filmi izledim. (standard Turkish)
Ben gordum o filmi. (T.C dialect)
meaning: I've seen that film.
Not only the order of the words are different, but also we use "gormek" (see) and Turks in Turkey use "izlemek" (watch) for watching a film.

Bullika · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:19 am Post subject:

garbitsch · Mukhtar/is Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 767 Location: Cyprus

Turkish Cypriot is not a language! It is a dialect, since it has no special form of writing whatsoever. Azeri and Turkmen grammars show very distinctive features than Turkish and Turkish Cypriot accent. There is no point of declaring T.C dialect a language, cause it is not imo Smile

Besides, it's all about politics. I can give you many examples. Such as, Moldovans claim that they speak a language called "Moldovan", which is Romanian. Croatian, Bosnian, Serbian are all same languages, but political conditions made them to seperate these languages. Even for a period there was a language called Serbo-croat, but later the idea of having it was dropped by the linguists and of course by Serbians and Croatians...

Bullika · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:54 am Post subject:

garbitsch · Mukhtar/is Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 767 Location: Cyprus

I might not have such linguistic knowledge as you do, but I do not see necessity to create a "Kibrislica" language and make it separate from standard Turkish. It will not be benefit for Turkish Cypriots, since T.C will not be able to learn the standard Turkish, thus they will not be able to benefit from exams like OSS. According your theory, then there should be new languages of East Anatolian Turkish, Laz Turkish, etc etc which in fact do differ from standard Turkish (east anatolians have a sound which is not found in standard turkish), in the end it will lead to dissentegration of the Turkish language and the standard one will be spoken only by people living in Ankara, Izmir and Istanbul. You are saying that dialects are languages as well. I was meaning "sive" as people call Cypriot accent "Kibris sivesi". I might use the terms in a wrong way, since I said I am not an expert.

Bullika · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 4:26 am Post subject:

magikthrill · Mukhtar/is Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 630 Location: NYC

so its pretty much the same as the dialect those wacky greek cypriots speak and greeks can only understand about 3% of what they say

Bullika · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 10:52 am Post subject:

not at all magicthrill, both kibrislica and turkish are mutually intelligible. comprehension is not a problem for a turk or even an azeri speaker. the point i am making is that you do not have to speak a language that only 3% of people in turkey can understand to call it a language. our vernacular language or dialect is probably understood by 97% of turks and we use the turkish as our standardized language-thats the difference.

and just because kibrislica does not have its own script and is not written officially (no road signs in it) it does not make it any less a language than turkish.

magikthrill · Mukhtar/is Joined: 14 Aug 2005 Posts: 630 Location: NYC

post deleted. was quite off topic

bg_turk · Deputy Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1316 Location: Bulgaria

I had a chance to speak to Turkish Cypriots in turkish and while I could understand most of the stuff, I think it sounded really funny Smile

In bulgaria we turks speak quite funny as well. When I go to Turkey and use my dialect, they say we speak like gypsies Smile

For instance for "How are you?" we say "Nyapisin?" and we eat up the end of most verbs like for instance:
geliyorum = gelin
gidiyorum = gidin
and we have some distinctinctive Rumelian (that is how my region is called) words
potatoe = kompil
apple = alma
litter = bokluk
mouse = sican

Also we often turn the order of the first syllable if it starts with an R

dream = urya
Rumelia = Urmeli
clothes = urba

Another distinction of the turks in the Balkans is that we often pronounce the soft g as a hard g.

When I was first learning to speak my mom thought me the official turkish quite well, but then I went to my village for several months and my turkish just got completely messed up Sad

But now I can sepak both the official turkish and my dialect. Usually I use my dialects at home when I speak to my parents, it somehow sounds awkard to speak the official turkish.

garbitsch · Mukhtar/is Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 767 Location: Cyprus

bg, do you use "uj bej" for three and five? These were the words we used to use to make fun of bulgarian accent at high school Smile

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:16 pm Post subject:

Bullika · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:44 pm Post subject:

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2005 7:54 pm Post subject:

Addash, you're killin me with your posts. Please put a disclaimer not to use the phrases you post with strangers. Or who ever uses these phrases are going to slapped or get a blank stare.

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