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Kifeas
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| erolz wrote: |
I also find it somewhat disconcerting that people like Kifeas (and presumably many other Greek Cypriots?) have this impression that the Republic of Cyprus 'got what it wanted' on the counter decleration. It seems clear to me they did not and it would also seem to be the view also outside of the Republic of Cyprus.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4290452.stm
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For the Papadopoulos government, on the other hand, the controversy has been a salutary experience, highlighting the limited bargaining power that a small state such as Cyprus has when it comes to influencing EU policy.
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Setting aside all the theories about EU power politics, I simply fail to understand what point you are trying to make. Yes, I claim that the Greek Cypriot side got what it wanted to get from those that it could potentially have asked to get.
The Greek Cypriot side could, in the same way that Austria is doing now, insist that without recognition Turkey will not begin accession negotiations. The reason the Greek Cypriot side didn't ask for this, is not because it couldn't ask or demand it. This was not the reason at all. The reason the Greek Cypriot side didn't push for recognition before Turkey's negotiations begin -alternatively they will not begin, is because this is not what it wanted to do, simply because our interests were not served in this way.
Are you saying that we didn’t get what we planned to get and we are just pretending so, simply in order to hide our weakness to get it?
Nevertheless, the Greek Cypriot side is very happy with what it gained, except some idiots in the Greek Cypriot opposition who pretend not to be content for obvious internal political opposition reasons and agendas.
What in your opinion the Greek Cypriot side wanted to gain more, but which it failed to achieve? |
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brother
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erolz
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If it had got it's wish (austria) then the document would have been agreed. The report is suggesting it will get it's wish.
Let's wait and see what is agreed for this document and how Turkey responds. The fat lady has not sung yet. This is just a report suggesting how she will sing, not how she has sung.
I am sure you know all this but felt it should be reiterated / made clear. |
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Kifeas
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| erolz wrote: |
If it had got it's wish (austria) then the document would have been agreed. The report is suggesting it will get it's wish.
Let's wait and see what is agreed for this document and how Turkey responds. The fat lady has not sung yet. This is just a report suggesting how she will sing, not how she has sung.
I am sure you know all this but felt it should be reiterated / made clear. |
Out of curiosity, who is the fat lady and why it is called so?  |
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erolz
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Out of curiosity, who is the fat lady and why it is called so? |
I am not sure but think it's an 'opera' thing when at the end of most opera's a big fat lady sings.
Thus the fat lady singing = the end.
Just a guess - and totaly off topic  |
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brother
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My main concern is that if the EU thing grinds to a halt so will the cyprus problem as like the Republic of Cyprus has no incentive at the moment for negotiating nor will Turkey and whom's loss is that, the Turkish Cypriot yet again.  |
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erolz
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| My main concern is that if the EU thing grinds to a halt so will the cyprus problem as like the Republic of Cyprus has no incentive at the moment for negotiating nor will Turkey and whom's loss is that, the Turkish Cypriot yet again. |
Yes it is a concern that all Cypriots who want a solution should share.
Turkey abandoning it's EU aspirations will be a disater for pre solution Cypriots on both sides. If that occures because of Autria , then so be it. If it occurs because of the Republic of Cyprus then once again Cypriots will be to blame.
IF Turkey does abandon her EU ambitions it will be upto Turkish Cypriots to keep up the pressure for a solution, despite any Turkish reticence to do so as a result of the abandoiong of her EU apsirations. |
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Kifeas
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| Kifeas wrote: |
Out of curiosity, who is the fat lady and why it is called so? |
I am not sure but think it's an 'opera' thing when at the end of most opera's a big fat lady sings.
Thus the fat lady singing = the end.
Just a guess - and totaly off topic |
It does make sense because most sopranos are usually overweight. I suppose this is an idiomatic English expression, but which also reveals the extent of appreciation that the English have for Opera. The soprano is nothing else than simply a fat lady who sings at the end!  |
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