Declaration of the European Union and its member states.

gabs · Villager Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 98

I think its time for turkey to say bye-bye to eu. Another ten or fifteen years of this abuse is intolerable. Enough is enough. Erdogan should not have to put up with French and Austrian racism any longer. These countries and their like are a disgrace and as rightly pointed out by a British politician are extremely close to violating eu human rights doctrines which they claim to uphold. Just who do these people think they are, and were the do they think they are? Heading, with their aging populations and the French four-day week?

The French twice had to be rescued last century and looks like they still haven’t learnt from it.

Good luck to France, Austria, and even Germany. Turkey should respect the feelings of its citizens and look for more welcoming grazing lands. There are plenty of them, rich in agriculture, mineral, oil and respect. These nations were once called third world countries, now they are developing countries. Another fifty years they will be the developed countries on par with, if not actually out-performing Europe.

Are the Turkish people expected to tolerate their own character assassination for the next ten years? Perhaps. Will the Turkish people tolerate it another ten years? Answer is most definitely non.

My wish is that Erdogan and Gul stay at home, and let Eu pay for their own future pensions. Eu has had its chance of expressing the equality, which it so proudly boasts, but has displayed to the world that such equality is fit to be bestowed only upon and amongst it own self.

For those of you who have not been to Istanbul lately you will be amazed at the level of achievement and progress. Anyone who thinks this is a backwater low life hole is in for the shock of his or her life. This has also been achieved I am told in all major Turkish cities and now wealth is spreading to poorer regions. Gone are the days when those from Istanbul, Ankara, Izmir flock to work in Europe, they have everything they want there, plus much much much more. Anyone thinking otherwise is deluding themselves. This has been achieved without Eu aid and will continue to grow without Eu aid.

Turkey has really got its act together over the past ten years and if repeated over the next twenty Turkey will become a highly developed nation with still unexploited potential.

I know that some have not got a clue about the real Turkey; instead they have this mythical image of shabby carpet makers or copper pot bashers under fezs and with broom size moustaches. How ignorant those with this image are, they should wake up, and realize they whole world is developing just like they are and some are developing even quicker. There is a story told to children of a tortoise and hare; there are many who would greatly benefit from remembering and heeding its moral.

Kifeas · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 9:03 am Post subject:

For the last 40 years Turkey have been consistently vetoing and blocking the Republic of Cyprus membership and /or participation from all international organizations in which she has been a member and Cyprus was not. Now the Republic of Cyprus has the opportunity to Veto Turkey’s EU accession process starting on the 3rd of October but instead it has chosen not to do it and allowed the process to start, although there are still objections from Austria.
Here we have a history of a country (Turkey) which in the past and whenever it had the opportunity, it exercised it’s Veto power against another country (Cyprus) and another country (Cyprus) that now has the opportunity to do the same thing against the Country (Turkey) that blocked her in the past, but it chooses not to do it. Is it a totally unreasonable demand from this country (Cyprus) -while allowing Turkey’s negotiating process to begin and not Vetoing it in the same fashion that Turkey had already done so in the past; to demand that Turkey will stop doing so against her in the future?

What is more logical?

gabs · Villager Joined: 15 Aug 2005 Posts: 98

“I don’t think Turkey should join the EU. There’s the religion - they still are quite fanatic - and I don’t think Turkey is European enough. It’s more Asian,” said Martin Maikisch, a 23-year-old bookkeeper from the small eastern Austrian town of Guessing.

And now this from a 23 year old Austrian bookkeeper - Hope he remembers the carnage that his country's most famous son inflicted upon the world.

thebrix · Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:46 pm Post subject:

erolz · Posted: Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:18 pm Post subject:

a new bbc article here with littel graph of which Eu members populations support Turkeih entry the most.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4302358.stm

erolz · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:53 am Post subject:

Things do not look too good :(

Despite the last minute summit meeting of foreign ministers that lasted until midnight Austria still refused to agree a framework document that did not include an 'special partnership' option as an alternative to full membership.

The Oct 3rd date for the start of accession talks with Turkey, as agreed last december by EU heads of states has passed, and still the EU is unable to produce a framework document that all EU members will sign :(

http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,7369,1583480,00.html?gusrc=rss

So no start to Turkish accession tomorrow and the very real propspect that Turkey will finally turn it's back on EU entry, if a framework document is not agreed soon by the EU, with all that will mean for Cyprus and efforts towards reunification :(

Not a good day for Cypriots imo. There is still some hope that some post last minute deal will be pulled from the bag but not a great amount as far as I can see.

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:09 am Post subject:

Xenos 2Fan · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 5:14 am Post subject:

Kifeas and Mikkie pop open that bottle of Schadenfreude. Ya got what you wanted.

Kifeas · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:16 am Post subject:

cannedmoose · Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:13 am Post subject:

Austria better prepare itself for a day of almost intolerable pressure from some of the larger member states. If the Austrian government doesn't back down on this issue, they'll be persona non grata in some EU capitals for some time. And Gabs made a pertinent point... Austrians should never forget that it was from their land that the greatest example of organised racist killing emerged. Unfortunately, unlike Germany, there still seem to be many in Austria who continue to regard their country as victims of Nazism, rather than part of it.