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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Another case is reported today in Greek Cypriot newspapers where a Turkish Cypriot was stopped in Tseriou Avenue, Strovolos and his car vandalised by three young Greek Cypriot's. The Turkish Cypriot reported the incident to the police and later, a 20 year old Greek Cypriot was arrested and placed in custody. He named a second person that was with him but refused to name the third coward.

I think we should seriously worry about these attacks. They can only be stopped if the courts severely punish the perpetrators.


Which newspaper did you read this news? Someone said to me that his family or lawyer complained in the media that police beat him extensively during or after the arrest, but I couldn't find anything in today’s newspapers.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Defence seeks to discredit Turkish Cypriot assault claims
By John Leonidou


THE NICOSIA ASSIZES yesterday heard the closing arguments of the defence and prosecution in the Christodoulos Nicolaides trial.

Nicolaides has pleaded not guilty on eight charges in connection with two attacks on Turkish Cypriots. One of the charges, relating to the attack against Greek Cypriot Maranos Cleanthous who was with one of the Turkish Cypriot victims in a Nicosia caf? on July 29, was yesterday dropped for lack of evidence after Cleanthous told the court he had not been attacked.

The judge then stated that the other charges still stood and that the defendant had the choice to take the stand and either apologise or make a statement.

The first to present closing arguments was defence lawyer Sotiris Charalambous.
“The prosecution has not proved anything against the defendant in any of the charges. In the alleged attack against the Turk Sadik Aktan, we heard testimonies from key witnesses present with the Turkish witness that said the defendant was not involved in the attack at the Nicosia caf?.”

Charalambous went on to state previous court cases in which charges were dropped because of vague witness accounts. He added that his client denied being involved or connected to any radical group or criminal organisation. Police officials had been linking the 28-year-old with the ultra-nationalist party Chrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn).

“In the first charge, we see the defendant accused of attack the Turk Sadik Aktan and causing his injuries to his body. In his statement, the Turk says ‘the man who was talking slapped me in the head and then somebody came and punched me in the back of my head but I didn’t see who it was.’

“Which blow out of the two caused the injury to the Turk’s head, the first or the second? And why was the defendant accused of this hostile attack and not the person who attacked him?” Charalambous asked.

Speaking about the second charge relating to the assault of Aktan’s friend Maranos Cleanthous, which was later dismissed by the judge, Charalambous said even Cleanthous had told the court that he did not see the defendant ask the caf? manager about the people sitting at Aktan’s table.

“Cleanthous said the defendant was just present at the time of the incident and, in his words, didn’t hit him or push him, neither did he see the defendant spur on his friends to attack the other people.”

Charalambous then moved on to the third charge, of causing or inciting assault and battery.
“We know from Cleanthous’ statement of Cleanthous that the defendant did not attack him, while the prosecution failed to prove that the Turk Sadik Aktan was attacked by the defendant.

“It should also be noted that the other witnesses told the court that the defendant was not involved in the incident but was just present. And in any case, is a small scuffle, which lasted just a few seconds and did not result in any injuries, enough to raise the charge of assault and battery?”

Moving to the other charges, Charalambous said a charge of ‘disturbing the peace in a public place’ could not stand when the attack occurred in a caf?. That contention was later quashed by the judge, who informed the defence that a previous case had described a bar as ‘a public place’ and therefore the charge would stand.

He wrapped up his conclusion by stating that Veysel Toksoy and his son Kemal had provoked Nicolaides in the sixth, seventh and eighth charges, in which the defendant stands accused of abusing and assaulting Veysel and assaulting Kemal. Charalambous added that the two Turkish Cypriot men had stated that Veysel was bleeding in his ear and nose, while the Police Constable in Astromeritis to whom they reported the attack had not seen any marks on Veysel.

“Also, questions must be raised as to why it took so long for Veysel and Kemal Toksoy to come back to the free areas to press the charges.”

Prosecution attorney Marios Koutsoftas then took the stand and before giving his closing arguments, criticised the way in which the defence was describing Aktan, Veysel and Kemal Toksoy.

“Your honour, during this entire trial I did not see one Turk. What Turks is the defence talking about?”

His comments immediately brought a response from Charalambous, who stood up and said, “The reason I use the word ‘Turk’ is so the court and my dear colleague can identify the race when we are talking about the witnesses.”

The judge then called on both lawyers to calm down, adding there was no need for the prosecution to raise the matter.

“My question is why did the witness Maranos Cleanthous give four different statements in four days to the police,” said Koutsoftas. “Also, the police constable in Astromeritis never said that he didn’t see any marks, so that argument by the defence was not correct. Also incorrect was the fact that the defence had raised the question as to why it had taken so long for the two Turkish Cypriots to come and give their statements.

“Mr Charalambous was the Assistant to the Chief of Police at the time and he knows very well the hardships that the two men endured during the time after the attack.”
The trial continues tomorrow morning.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Moving to the other charges, Charalambous said a charge of ‘disturbing the peace in a public place’ could not stand when the attack occurred in a caf?. That contention was later quashed by the judge, who informed the defence that a previous case had described a bar as ‘a public place’ and therefore the charge would stand.



im no lawyer but you dont need be be one to figure that out - what an idiot.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what a waste of resources
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 07, 2005 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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‘Why am I the only one on trial here?’
By John Leonidou


THE NICOSIA Assizes yesterday heard a statement from Christodoulos Nicolaides, the man facing seven charges, including assault and battery against Turkish Cypriots.

At yesterday’s hearing, Nicolaides had the option either to be cross examined under oath in the witness stand, or to make a statement without oath from the dock or not to make any statement. He chose to make a statement without oath from the dock.

Nicolaides, who had one charge of assault and battery against Greek Cypriot Maranos Cleanthous dismissed by the court two days ago, stood in the dock and told the court that he felt he was being victimised by “certain individuals”. He added that one of the reasons for this was because of the way he expressed his views within the organisation that he is a member of. Police officials have linked the 28-year-old former policeman with the ultra-nationalist party Chrysi Avgi (Golden Dawn).

Nicolaides is also charged with acting with intent to incite hostility between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.

“The reasons why I am here in court do not reflect the reality of the situation. The situation is that a group of people decided to organise a rally together and state their opinions about the Cyprus problem and the April 2004 referendum. Unfortunately, that move was frowned upon by certain individuals and they made their feelings know about how they felt. However, I continued to express my thoughts and views.”

He went on to tell the court that minor incidents involving him had been blown out of proportion, in particular the incident in Troodos in which he faces three charges of abuse and battery against Turkish Cypriot father and son, Veysel and Kemal Toksoy. He said he had been overwhelmed with all that had followed.

“The incident in Troodos was initially looked upon by many as a minor and insignificant incident. However, six months later some people decided that they wanted to accuse me of certain charges that were made to be far worse than what actually happened.

“Needless to say, I have been shocked by all that has been massing against me in all this time and all I have to say is that I am here, not because I have done something wrong, but because certain people have something to gain out of my being here.”

Nicolaides then raised the matter of why he was the only one arrested in connection with the attack against Turkish Cypriot Sadik Aktan in a Nicosia caf? on July 29. The court has heard throughout the trial that people sitting at Nicolaides’ table were also involved in the attack.

“It is obvious, judging by the testimonies of the witnesses, that I was not involved in the attack. But my question is why was I the only one dragged to court when the incident involved five other people as well? Why weren’t the other five people involved the incident charged in any way?”

He ended his statement by showing the court that he did not have any tattoos on his leg, disproving claims by a previous eyewitness who described a man with tattoo marks on his leg as one of the men that started the fight in the Nicosia caf?.

“The witness accounts talk about an attacker with tattoos on his legs. With the court’s permission, I would like to show the court that I have no such markings on my legs.” Nicolaides then walked to the door of the court room, after getting permission from the judge, and revealed to the court his legs from the knees down, which revealed no tattoos or any other markings.

The trial continues on October 24.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortuentely we have still a small group of racist bigots whose role in dividing cyprus is kind of murky.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Verdict due next week

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=22535&cat_id=1

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For the defence, Sotiris Charalambous told the court that the key witness accounts in the case of the Sadik Aktan attack charge had shown that the accused was not involved in the incident.

The key witness accounts of Panayiotis Stefanos Kouratzis, Andreas Irolemou and Maranos Cleanthous have shown us that the accused was not involved in the attack of the Turk Sadik The Turk is the only one claiming that he was attacked by the accused while the testimonies of the witnesses sitting at the same table as him tell a different story.

With regards to the case involving the attack of the Turk Veysel Toksoy, the defence raises doubts over why the Turk had initially told police in Troodos that he didnt want to file charges but instead just file a verbal complaint but then suddenly wanted to press charges after months had passed.


What is it with this lawyer. The Turk. Over and over again The Turk. As far as I am concerned charges should be brought against this lawyer for 'acting with intent to incite hostility between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.' let alone his client !
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erolz wrote:
What is it with this lawyer. The Turk. Over and over again The Turk. As far as I am concerned charges should be brought against this lawyer for 'acting with intent to incite hostility between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.' let alone his client !


IMO, the judge of this case isn't performing his duty by allowing the lawyer to get away with this. It seems from the report that he's using the expression 'the Turk' in a derogatory sense, although this could only be confirmed by hearing how he actually says it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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erolz wrote:
What is it with this lawyer. The Turk. Over and over again The Turk. As far as I am concerned charges should be brought against this lawyer for 'acting with intent to incite hostility between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.' let alone his client !


IMO, the judge of this case isn't performing his duty by allowing the lawyer to get away with this. It seems from the report that he's using the expression 'the Turk' in a derogatory sense, although this could only be confirmed by hearing how he actually says it.



Whatever way he uses it this does not justify him using it, if in the north a Greek Cypriot was in the same position and he was refered to as 'the greek' would that be acceptable.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is derogatory, no doubt. This is how the term is used by the bigots in our community. Two examples:

(a) The Turk cannot be trusted.
(b) Even if the Turk becomes a bridge do not cross it.

The "patriots" in the Greek Cypriot community believe that it is very patriotic to refer to a Turkish Cypriot as "the Turk". By doing so the policeman turned lawyer is hoping to stir up popular feelings of sympathy for the accused who did his level best to confront the enemy, yet he stands accused before a court of law. On the other hand, the lawyer may know that the term sounds well in the ears of the lady judge in which case he is appealing to her patriotism.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was reading the news today as well, and I found it very awkward that the lawyer referred to the person as the TURK, after all isnt he a citizen of the Cypriot Republic? Why does the lawyer feel the urge to refer to him by his ethnic background?

This happens in Bulgaria sometimes as well, but only extreme nationalists do it. In general it would be inconceivable for such a thing to happen in a courtroom, and I personally would be offended if somebody referred to me as the turk This and this, instead of Mr This and this.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it inconciveable that a lawyer in the UK could, or would be allowed, to refer to a defendant (or anyone else for that matter) as 'the Greek john doe'. Even more so if the 'Greek' in question was a British Citizen of Greek descent or Greek Cypriot descent?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erolz wrote:
As far as I am concerned charges should be brought against this lawyer for 'acting with intent to incite hostility between Greek and Turkish Cypriots.' let alone his client !

You are right, and if the Republic of Cyprus courts fail to take action against that lawyer then the case should be brought to the attention of the ECHR. But of course having in mind how lazy Turkish Cypriots are, I doubt this will ever happen. Sad
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