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| I'd be glad to lend you a hand brother, then let him rot in prison, just to satisfy moose. |
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‘You’re Greek and you are talking with a Turk? Shame on you’
By John Leonidou
BOTH witnesses called up in the trial of Christodoulos Nicolaides yesterday told the Nicosia Assizes that they did not see the defendant attack Turkish Cypriot Sadik Aktan.
Aktan and Greek Cypriot Maranos Cleanthous were allegedly attacked and beaten by Nicolaides and a group of his friends on July 29 this year. Nicolaides denies the charges.
Nicolaides is currently facing a total of eight charges, which include causing actual bodily harm, assault and acting with intent to incite hostility between Greek and Turkish Cypriots. He is also charged with the attack of Turkish Cypriot father and son, Veysel and Kemal Toksoy in Troodos last March.
The first witness called yesterday was Panayiotis Stefanos Kouratzis, a Greek national working in Cyprus who was sitting at the table with Aktan and some friends during the alleged attack.
Kouratzis read to the court the statement he had made to police in which he had informed them he had gone with them for a coffee and quiet chat about society and politics.
He said he soon noticed that the men at the table opposite were staring at them.
“At one point, one of the men sitting opposite us came up to our table and asked us why we were speaking English. The man was dark, well-built, had a tattoo, a moustache and goatee, short hair and was wearing knee high trousers and a sleeveless top.
“He then asked us where Sadik was from, to which I asked Maranos if he was Lebanese, because it was the first time that I met Sadik and I wasn’t sure where he was from. As soon as Maranos said he was a Turkish Cypriot they attacked us.
“At one point they dragged Maranos outside and attacked him further. During the incident, I was pushed but I never fell down, neither was I injured. One person did walk up to me and say ‘You’re Greek and you are talking with a Turk? Shame on you’.”
Marios Koutsoftas of the Prosecution then asked Kouratzis, “Do you recognise anyone here who was there that day?”
“Yes,” replied Kouratzis. “The defendant”
“Judging from the way that they approached you, would you say that their intentions were friendly or not?” Koutsoftas asked again.
“It was anything but friendly,” Kouratzis replied.
The witness then went on to tell the court that he did not actually see Nicolaides attacking anybody in the fight.
“I cannot remember the defendant involved in the fight and in fact he was sort of standing behind the others when they approached our table.
“Did you see the defendant attack Sadik Aktan?” asked Koutsoftas.
“No, I didn’t,” replied Kouratzis.
Kouratzis then told defence lawyer Sotiris Charalambous that he could not remember seeing Nicolaides at any time during the incident.
“Was the man who approached you and spoke to you the defendant,” asked Charalambous.
“No, it wasn’t,” replied Kouratzis.
Next to take the stand was the manager of the caf?, Andreas Irolemou.
“There were six people sitting close to the entrance at table nine, while at table 13, opposite, there were around eight men who were regular customers. At one point, one of the men from table nine came up to me and asked me if the people sitting opposite them were Cypriots or Turks. I told them that they were not Turks.
“Then he went back to his seat. A little later I saw one of them get up and approach the people at table 13. I couldn’t hear well as I was not close enough but I did hear one of the men asking why they were speaking in English and if they were Turkish Cypriots. The others from table nine soon joined him and that was when I heard voices being raised. Then the attack followed and one person was then taken outside and attacked again.”
Koustaftas then asked: “What would you say was the attitude of the men who approached the people at table 13?”
“I thought they perhaps had a problem with them. It was definitely a hostile situation,” replied Irolemou.
The witness was the cross-examined by Charalambous, who asked: “Did you see the defendant at any time during the incident?”
“I’m not sure, there were lots of people involved and I was trying to separate two or three of them; I couldn’t see everything that was happening.”
Charalambous then asked, “Did you ever see the Turk in the caf? prior to the incident?”
The judge then asked, “Turk, who is the Turk?”
“Sadik,” responded Charalambous.
“I can’t remember,” answered Irolemou.
The trial resumes on Wednesday.
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It gets worse with this lawyer who likes to be out of order. |
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Birkibrisli
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| From Bro's posts I am getting the feeling that nobody is actually saying they saw Nicolaides attack Sadik,except of course Sadik himself.Even the other Greek Cypriot guy who was also attacked have not identified Nicolaides as the attacker.Am I right?If I am,this smells like a cover up. Someone has gotten to the witnesses.And if this guy is guilty and is found innocent he will only do it again (well,it is already alleged he did hit someone else).Most worrying situation imo. |
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Kifeas
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| Birkibrisli wrote: |
| From Bro's posts I am getting the feeling that nobody is actually saying they saw Nicolaides attack Sadik,except of course Sadik himself.Even the other Greek Cypriot guy who was also attacked have not identified Nicolaides as the attacker.Am I right?If I am,this smells like a cover up. Someone has gotten to the witnesses.And if this guy is guilty and is found innocent he will only do it again (well,it is already alleged he did hit someone else).Most worrying situation imo. |
You are right in your observations Birkibrisli, something doesn't seem right in this story. Chances are that it is what you said already (a cover up) but it can also be other things. It can also be a case of terrified witnesses by the defendant’s friends not to tell the truth. It can also be an all too classic messing up on the part of the police who may have some previous open accounts with the defendant (he was a sucked ex-policeman who also has the other case against him in Troodos and god knows what else,) and who (police) might have thought to push and use Sadik to file a complain against him in particular.
What I do not understand is the following. It seems that Sadik was not the only one attacked and not the one mostly attacked. There was another one Greek Cypriot who was drugged outside and attacked. Why the police didn't open another attack case when the insistent took place and only one from Sadik against the particular defendant? Didn’t the other attacked person, who is also a Greek Cypriot, want to file a complain? One would have expected a Greek Cypriot to be more adamant in filing a complain against another Greek Cypriot in the south, than a Turkish Cypriot who naturally would have been more reluctant to do so.
I wish this racist asshole will get stuffed into some jail, but it seems the police and the prosecution are too amateurish, as usual, in finding the right way to do it.
We will see what follows!
Thanks brother for posting it! |
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erolz
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| It seems clear to me that this man is a thug. I am not surprised that people 'saw nothing' or even those attacked have not filed charges and sought prosecution. I hope the judge (or jury?) see through this and punish this violent man. |
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brother
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| There is a lot of merit in what kifeas is saying about the Greek Cypriot who was beaten more than sadik and then dragged into the street for a second portion as in why he is not persueing his own assault case, this for me is a very worrying aspect that a man can be beaten like a dog (which we do not do in todays civilised society) for speaking english and having a Turkish Cypriot friend. |
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cannedmoose
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| brother wrote: |
| There is a lot of merit in what kifeas is saying about the Greek Cypriot who was beaten more than sadik and then dragged into the street for a second portion as in why he is not persueing his own assault case, this for me is a very worrying aspect that a man can be beaten like a dog (which we do not do in todays civilised society) for speaking english and having a Turkish Cypriot friend. |
Thankfully, this loathsome piece of scum isn't representative of Greek Cypriot opinion but represents only the extreme right-wingers that we all know and despise. These people don't just hate Turkish Cypriots or Turks, they hate everyone who isn't Greek and in that respect mirror their sister organisations around Europe like the Grey Wolves and National Front. In this respect, he's as likely to take me on for being English as he would be to take on Bro' or Erol for being Turkish Cypriot.
What disturbs me about this case is that there appears to be a wall of silence around this, not only from eyewitnesses but from politicians also. I may not have been paying enough attention, but was there any condemnation of this incident from either the President or other top politicians? Thankfully, we've reached the point in the UK where racist attacks are universally condemned by all sides... I'm not sure if it's yet reached that point in Cyprus. |
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| In this respect, he's as likely to take me on for being English as he would be to take on Bro' or Erol for being Turkish Cypriot. |
Actually he could take me on twice for being both Turkish Cypriot and English  |
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| Actually he could take me on twice for being both Turkish Cypriot and English |
Sadly, I think he'd probably regard you as representative of both his colonial oppressor and the subsequent occupier of his land... I guess that would qualify you as his worst enemy Erol re... anyway, hopefully this thug will end up with a spell in prison, hopefully sharing a cell with a large and sex-deprived lifer. |
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Kifeas
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| In this respect, he's as likely to take me on for being English as he would be to take on Bro' or Erol for being Turkish Cypriot. |
Actually he could take me on twice for being both Turkish Cypriot and English |
You know what i think? We get to find out his residence and then follow him when he goes out somewhere, i.e. in some Cafe, then go and seat next to him and start talking English, Turkish, etc, so that we ignite him to attack us and then.... With the record that he already has in the police and courts, who will believe him should he claim that he was provoked to attack us and then he was....? |
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| You know what i think? We get to find out his residence and then follow him when he goes out somewhere, i.e. in some Cafe, then go and seat next to him and start talking English, Turkish, etc, so that we ignite him to attack us and then.... With the record that he already has in the police and courts, who will believe him should he claim that he was provoked to attack us and then he was....? |
I'll bring my bowler hat, handlebar moustache and umbrella... Erol can bring his fez... you bring the digital camera Kifeas  |
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brother
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
| In this respect, he's as likely to take me on for being English as he would be to take on Bro' or Erol for being Turkish Cypriot. |
Actually he could take me on twice for being both Turkish Cypriot and English |
You know what i think? We get to find out his residence and then follow him when he goes out somewhere, i.e. in some Cafe, then go and seat next to him and start talking English, Turkish, etc, so that we ignite him to attack us and then.... With the record that he already has in the police and courts, who will believe him should he claim that he was provoked to attack us and then he was....? |
Forget the police a joint Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot beating will probably make him suicidel and he will top himself hence saving taxpayers money etc. |
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Kifeas
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| You know what i think? We get to find out his residence and then follow him when he goes out somewhere, i.e. in some Cafe, then go and seat next to him and start talking English, Turkish, etc, so that we ignite him to attack us and then.... With the record that he already has in the police and courts, who will believe him should he claim that he was provoked to attack us and then he was....? |
I'll bring my bowler hat, handlebar moustache and umbrella... Erol can bring his fez... you bring the digital camera Kifeas |
I won’t say what I’ll bring in case echelon is monitoring us…. not that they’ve managed to prevent anything so far. |
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Kifeas
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| erolz wrote: |
| cannedmoose wrote: |
| In this respect, he's as likely to take me on for being English as he would be to take on Bro' or Erol for being Turkish Cypriot. |
Actually he could take me on twice for being both Turkish Cypriot and English |
You know what i think? We get to find out his residence and then follow him when he goes out somewhere, i.e. in some Cafe, then go and seat next to him and start talking English, Turkish, etc, so that we ignite him to attack us and then.... With the record that he already has in the police and courts, who will believe him should he claim that he was provoked to attack us and then he was....? |
Forget the police a joint Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot beating will probably make him suicidel and he will top himself hence saving taxpayers money etc. |
I am referring to the police because someone will eventually have to… collect him. |
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Another case is reported today in Greek Cypriot newspapers where a Turkish Cypriot was stopped in Tseriou Avenue, Strovolos and his car vandalised by three young Greek Cypriot's. The Turkish Cypriot reported the incident to the police and later, a 20 year old Greek Cypriot was arrested and placed in custody. He named a second person that was with him but refused to name the third coward.
I think we should seriously worry about these attacks. They can only be stopped if the courts severely punish the perpetrators. |
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