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repulsewarrior

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...the question is not what we can learn from Belgium or Canada. The question is, in solving, our, Problem,
what they, will learn from us...
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

erolz wrote:

If you are saying your proposed system would require that the Turkish Cypriot community showed a 25% support for something like enosis TODAY and if it did not then such could NOT be implemented despite a majority of all Cypriots wanting it, then that is a solution I can accept.

This is a system I can live with as well but all of this will be on paper, just like the Republic of Cyprus constitution was on paper and we know how easy it is to ignore what's on paper, especially if you're the majority. So it's also crucial to me that if such a system does not work for any reason, no one side gets away with the title of the official government of the island. There has to be some kind of a guarantee system supported by the international community, or at least by the EU to make sure that no one side can ignore the agreements and if they do, they don't get away with anything on the expense of the other community.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, I did not intend to draw a parallel between Belgium and Cyprus in either the context of the problem or a solution. All I wanted to highlight was that even in a stable country like Belgium, inter communal tensions seem to swell up. I was not sure whether to put this in the International Forum, but I thought since its an internal EU member state issue, it can go here. I highlight the specific case in an effort to elucidate the serious difficulties that ANY solution in Cyprus would be faced.

About Kifeas' proposals. Often I have seen many people argue, usually about technicalities and sometimes even misunderstandings, regarding his suggestions, which may or may not be sound in their logic, but that is an issue of debate. However, even after repeated calls, no one has really offered an alternative in the context of a BBF (other than repulsewarrior I guess), so to me it looks like some of you guys are just doing empty criticism, which may or may not be sound in logic, but without constructive input.

And on a third note: Certain forum members accuse, or hint as such, that I am a proponent of partition. In order to clarify any misunderstandings, allow me clarify here that to me partition is totally unacceptable, because it makes de jure what is now de facto. Remember, evoking the mantra of the need of a solution to the Cyprus problem be both viable as well as fair, partition offered as a solution would most probably be viable, yet it would be extremely unfair. Hence, I reject it on those grounds.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

thank-you D_M. I can't ask you to take my opinion as a Mantra, but I am grateful that you recognise my effort, suggesting that it is far better than what we have had on the table already.

without the dogmatic perception that it is not doable, you have to agree that it is fair, and it is viable,...therefore, unless you see better, support it, suggest its consideration yourself.

...dreamer myself, I hope this is something which as a forum, we can promote, because it is an excellent representation of a society that has taken Humanity's interests first, while we accord for ourselves the sustinance we need for two cultures to thrive.
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