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| In what circumstances is war acceptable? |
| Only Liberation Struggles are acceptable |
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| Only people's revolution against other forms of oppression |
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| In any of the two scenarios mentioned above |
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| never |
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stavrizatz
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xxturkishdelight aka xxlokoumiapafitika wroke:
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| The Turks from Turkey invaded Cyprus because their people were being slaughtered. |
Who got slaughtered and when?
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| Had they not invaded, a race of innocent people would have been totally wiped out. |
I think this is the misconception many Turkish Cypriots have. Please read a bit more and tell me whether if Turkish Cypriots were threatened in 1974, by whom and why?
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| But of course that doesn't get mentioned does it. So far as the Greeks are concerned, Turks invaded, took North Cyprus, end of! To be very honest with you. There will always be a Turkish Army in North - they are a deterrent and they will stay! |
No doubt they will stay until Turkish Cypriots start waking realising that the troops in the North contribute nothing to your well being. |
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repulsewarrior
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xxturkishdelight welcome.
I ask you to reflect on your post.
When the coup against Makarios occured, did "Greek" Cypriots rise up in support of it?
When the slaughter occured, were "Greek" Cypriots victimless by the few that we can call fanatics, to say the least?
When Denktash opened the gates, were(or are) there a flood of terrorists amongst your midst, who murder and mame?
Somehow in Isreal, or in Afganistan and Iraq, are the mighty coalitions less successful than the Turkish Army? Needless to say, in Turkey, are Turks safe from those who have chosen to take up arms?
Do you remember the Cyprus that was? One of the Great Co-operators (in its true and economic sense), the most Socialised country in the world.
You mistake the ugly generalisation that you make for logic, because the next grecophone you meet is not unlike yourself. |
I repeat, our generalisations of each other as adverseries, in Cyprus are frivolous, because in the end, just to survive we socialise and exchange,
unlike the unnatural position in which we find ourselves, today.
The gripers, who block change, I say embrace the future, and if you have God do not be afraid, be giving and serve the higher purpose that makes us all the same. be, happy, you cannot stop it.
xxt I hope that you come here again, and I still hope you can help to end this ugly myth we have been foisted by the lowest of our nature as Human Beings. |
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100%cypriot
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| stavrizatz wrote: |
Who got slaughtered and when? |
Are you being real here ?
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| I think this is the misconception many Turkish Cypriots have. Please read a bit more and tell me whether if Turkish Cypriots were threatened in 1974, by whom and why? |
Not just Turkish Cypriots but Greek Cypriots as well
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| No doubt they will stay until Turkish Cypriots start waking realising that the troops in the North contribute nothing to your well being. |
There you are wrong , they may be dominating the everyday life of Turkish Cypriots but more importantly they are proving to be a great detterent to the Pro Enossis Greek Cypriots and the war Monger's in the south , without their presence there would not be any Turkish Cypriots left  |
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repulsewarrior
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cent percent, I don't think living under the occupation of the Turkish Army is an ideal to those who are Cypriot, before they are Turkish. "Greek" Cypriots like them, are just as uncomfortable, because their choices in election are limited to the same adversarial regimes. The extremism, may, someday include another EOKA, but it is doubtful that ENOSIS will be the play.
...even if Turkey annexes the land they illegally occupy, at present, to their own State.
NB, calling a whole people, "war Monger's in the south" is racism, even though you probably don't mean it that way. l |
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100%cypriot
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cent percent, I don't think living under the occupation of the Turkish Army is an ideal to those who are Cypriot, before they are Turkish. "Greek" Cypriots like them, are just as uncomfortable, because their choices in election are limited to the same adversarial regimes. The extremism, may, someday include another EOKA, but it is doubtful that ENOSIS will be the play.
...even if Turkey annexes the land they illegally occupy, at present, to their own State.
NB, calling a whole people, "war Monger's in the south" is racism, even though you probably don't mean it that way. l |
The war mongers in the south are quite evident and i dont think i have to make a point that not all Greek Cypriots are war mongers |
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Dream_Merchant
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Joined: 19 Jun 2006
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Location: Limassol
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The war mongers in the south are quite evident and i dont think i have to make a point that not all Greek Cypriots are war mongers |
100%cypriot is so right. There are the war mongers in the south. However, I think their warmongering is mostly a manifestation of suppressed social issues which they can't deal with, such as poverty, lack of education etc. Unfortunately due to the political situation on the island this leads to acute forms of racism in an effort to put the blame elsewhere and to find easy scapegoats.
If only they could come in terms with their own problems, things would be better.
In any given case, I agree with brother that war is never the answer, but it is often the question. The question as it why it starts or perpetuates. The answer is often elusive, but when there is the will of peace, and any sane society strives for peace, it can be found.
Lets have hope. |
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100%cypriot
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| The Problem with war is that the innocent suffer before and after and the powers that be are always kept in power due to their nationalistic views . in war the ones left are not always the one's that are RIGHT but the ones that are more powerfull |
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100%cypriot
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| Get Real! wrote: |
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| The Problem with war is that the innocent suffer before and after and the powers that be are always kept in power due to their nationalistic views . in war the ones left are not always the one's that are RIGHT but the ones that are more powerfull |
On the one hand you justify the Turkish invasion of July 74 as a necessary “peace operation” to save your sorry ass from some alleged Greek “genocide” and on the other you come up with this piece of Mother Teresa diarrhea now that you’ve stolen 37% of Republic of Cyprus land and laughing all the way to the bank!
Such is the nature of a shameless and selfish little clown and I really don’t know why Stavrizatz wastes his time in here with 2-cent double standard hillbillies that make up the bulk of this forum.
I’m sure you can ALL see that war is VERY NECESSARY if it serves one’s interests. It’s therefore no surprise that Turkish Cypriot’s now play the Mother Teresa card in the hope that they’ll discourage the Republic of Cyprus from seeking justice so that their treasonous community may continue to enjoy the plunder. How convenient!
Contemplate this 100%Clown: It’s not an “if” but a “when”... |
Ha Ha how the WEAK like to cry , IF and i say IF you could do something about it you would have by now , Do you really think the Turkish Army is there for show ? 48 hrs from oblivion that is what you are !! So stop your nationalistic whining and go and promote your war mongering to other like minded FOOLS .
Idiots you only have 63 % of the island because that's what we allowed you to keep . |
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Get Real!
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By the way getwrong !! you are a nobody and never will be anything but the kind of stuff that gets stuck under a shoe when stepped in dog shit !! Respect ha you don't know what the word means , obviously you werent taught that by your parents .
Last word from me to a nationalistic war monger we are waiting for you anytime to cross over !!!!!!!
p.s do you realy want to risk the rest of cyprus to fullfill you fantasy DREAMS ? yep that's all it is a dream just like the dream you have of having people take you seriously !! |
It looks like you got wound up after all; shit happens when you confront reality... courtesy of Get Real! |
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repulsewarrior
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100 percent,
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Ha Ha how the WEAK like to cry , IF and i say IF you could do something about it you would have by now , Do you really think the Turkish Army is there for show ? 48 hrs from oblivion that is what you are !! So stop your nationalistic whining and go and promote your war mongering to other like minded FOOLS .
Idiots you only have 63 % of the island because that's what we allowed you to keep |
It may be that you are bigger, and history may be on your side....
the question I ask is why didn't Turkey take it all,if there intention was to keep it.
my question to you is, do you believe that Turkey could take the whole island today, an EU member, a social-economic powerhouse, as well as a population of half a million, without getting hurt? |
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erolz
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OK I am locking this thread for a period because it is getting out of hand and degenerating into petty personal abuse.
It will be reopened in due course and when the mods have had a chnce to action those posts reported. |
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100%cypriot
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| oh well got a warning for nothing oh sorry 2 warnings |
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100%cypriot
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| It may be that you are bigger, and history may be on your side.. |
Dont understand where that is aimed ? i am a CYPRIOT
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the question I ask is why didn't Turkey take it all,if there intention was to keep it.
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Only the powers that be know the answer to that !
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| my question to you is, do you believe that Turkey could take the whole island today, an EU member, a social-economic powerhouse, as well as a population of half a million, without getting hurt? |
I think that is the question that Tpap should ask himself , with provacation as in 1974 Turkey would have the right to take military action and that is why her army is still in Cyprus today and doesn't look like moving any time soon ! as i said before if the international community thought that Turkey was 100% at fault then her army would still not be there TODAY !
What the Gov in the south lacks with its so called army it makes up with expertise in politics , but the gap is closing slowly ! in the politics |
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100%cypriot
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| Ha Ha Ha Getreal you are a coward that hides behind a PC and gets high on winding people up , you didnt wind me up but got replies according to your post , The Bible says an eye for an eye so thats what you got !!! so go away and play with yourself you may get some satisfaction ? |
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repulsewarrior
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another Bible saysto give love
suffer children
do unto others... |
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