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| ...i see kifeas and yourself as extremists due to the countless times you have expressed a desire for a war in cyprus |
I never read kifeas express a desire for war in Cyprus but when GR wrote about war he refered to a liberation struggle against Turkey, and imo it is nothing extreme about that. In fact I believe Turkish Cypriots should join other Cypriots if ever such struggle takes place, but I doubt it will...besides all other possibilities are not yet excausted.
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I STILL challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
1. Retract his false claim.
2. Apologize to each of the members he has wrongly accused. |
What did brother accuse you for? Clearly he doesn't really like you and he uses negative language against you and kifeas but what is he exactly accussing you for |
Stav i have known kifeas for some time and was once a person i had great admiration for as his thoughts and opinions were inspirational and was a pleasure to read his debates and debate with him and was a very polite person also, then one day for reasons only he knows he started to take a extreme stance on the cyprus problem followed with what i and most others that know him started to be angry in his dealings and thoughts and since has carried on this way.
Some of Kifeas quotes Preparing for War:
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:16 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43855#43855
I am glad to notice more and more that the only idea that we G/Cs are beginning to come to terms with, is the idea that we will eventually have to find a war one day, in order to safeguard and reinstate our rights in our homeland, should the immoral, unethical and illegal claims and plans of those thieves and outlaws (pro-partitionists,) ever become a reality.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:54 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878
Believe me Alexios, more and more G/Cs are getting used to this idea and in fact are preparing themselves, both physically and mentally, so that they will be able to cope in the best and most productive way, in view of such an eventuality. I see it everyday in the gym that I attend, as I see it also in the shooting club I go every week in Pafos for practicing. The members in both places have multiplied recently, and since I started about 3 moths ago, I noticed that from 50 members that that particular gym had, it now has over 400 and it changed its schedule and stays 18 hours open in order to accommodate the demand. Everyones spirit is running very high, and the same experience I also had the pleasure to hear from the mouths of another 2 gym owners that I have spoken with. The reservists in the national guard that I attend once a month, are now all coming on time and dressed properly, unlike the way it was in the past were only 60-70% were showing and most of them not on time and dressed in jeans and T-shirts. If you speak to them the first thing you will notice is the sheer determination in the tone of everybody's voice and eyes. If you haven't started exercising, do it now so that you prove useful to your country when the time is due! I have lost 10 kilos since I started, about 3 months ago and I now feel like an 18 year old but with the experience of a 40 year old man.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:23 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&start=75
Listen little Alexios, I will not waste my time with all those ignorants that post all those nonsense, because all of them live outside Cyprus and they are not in touch of the realities here. I understand that all your denial comes from the fact that you are afraid to fight for your rights and hope that the thieves and the outlaws that have stolen your homeland, will ever come and gift it back to you. Have you ever seen any thieve returning the stolen goods before the police gets hold on him? Never! The same in this case! Have you seen the partition poll in the other thread? Eight outlaws and thieves voted in favor of partition, just because they hope that this will legitimize the theft and the looting their immoral motherland committed, and only 4 were the decent and honest ones to vote against it. Do you ever believe that you are going to reach an fair agreement with such outlaws and pirates that think in exactly the same way that mafia thinks and practices, when they display their aims in such an audacious way and manner. You are very nave to have such impression.
Never the less, if you still feel that you can contribute something to your country, there will be some vacancies in the womens sections where food will be prepared for the troops, due to the very high demand by most of our women to also be able to fight on the front lines together with their sons, brothers and husbands. In fact, in the gyms around Cyprus and in the shooting clubs that I spoke about earlier, the Cypriot women participants outnumber men by 2 to 1, and this shows the determination of all out people (with few exceptions of course) to sacrifice even their own selves if it becomes necessary, for justice and to claim back our stolen homeland, our stolen churches, cemeteries, monuments, houses, properties, our stolen history and identity and all the rest that the thieves and looters had stolen from us in 1974 and which they claim to be theirs now.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:35 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43958ꮶ
I said the women that are practicing and exercising in the shooting clubs! Men also do training and shooting practice in the Army, when they do their service and also when they join once every month or two for a training day. Nevertheless, you will be shocked how well some of those women perform in most of the areas. Some of them outperform most men, for your information!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:50 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43971#43971
Listen brother, the T/Cs are not our target, and they have nothing to be afraid of, as long as they do not choose to defend the thieves, the looters and the outlaws that wish to usurp what belongs to us, including the northern part of our country. In such a case, you just have to raise a Cypriot flag outside your house, and I can assure you no one will harm you! We recognize your rights as citizens and people of this country, and we are not after you physically or in any other way. We will be only after the scumbags and the thieves who wish to usurp our properties and our historical rights in this country and claim it to be their own country, and for which they work day and night to convince the rest of the world to grant them partition rights, in the expense of the G/Cs!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:11 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43983#43983
Little Moose, unlike you who has seen a war only in TV and the movies, I have lived through a war and I know precisely what it is like. Therefore, before sailing for your cleverish sermons, know first to whom you are talking! My concern is not war itself, but how to be on the winning end, and rest sure this time we have the right plans and means in place so that when the time will be right, we are as close to the winning end as possible. We just need to do a few more purchases and also work a little bit on peoples moral aspect. As you might have read in your text books, the most important thing in a war is not how to win back your territory, but how to retain it afterwards. On this aspect we have to do some more purchases.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:29 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&start=105
Listen Brother, how many hours do you hope those 50,000 eighteen year old Turkish soldiers will resist, before the 150,000 strong 20-45 year old mature, armed to the teeth and above all, angry and fully determined G/C reservists drive them to the Kyrenia coast, when we all of suddenly attack in the middle of a cold and moonless night? I bet you by 4 am we will be drinking coffee in Kyrenia harbor, as it takes only 2 hours by foot to cross the 30 kilometers that separate us from Nicosia to Kyrenia.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:46 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44010#44010
You are just talking nonsense and rubbish pezo!
You see people; this is what I had in mind when i said that we still need to work a little bit more on the moral factor of some people. It is cowards like Alexios and cypezokyli that I had in mind! No wander all such people incline towards Papapetrou party (EDI,) which luckily happens to represent only 0.50% of the G/Cs.
Unless of course you are trying to deceive the opponent and make them rest sure that nothing will happen, so that our surprise operation will have maximum results. In such a case, I have to congratulate you for your very clever thought indeed, and I must admit I never though of such a trick my self!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:51 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44021#44021
My friend, I never spoke about a full scale war with Turkey, but only a local one that will aim to throw the thieves, the pirates and the looters out of our country. I never said that we plan to invade Turkey and land troops on her soil so that we occupy part of Turkey. If I had said this, then you are perfectly justified to claim all you have claimed. |
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And here we have kifeas being threatening to anyone standing in his way.
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| I will happily eliminate him, should he also attempts to stand in my way to claim my rights that he refuses to acknowledge. |
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2758&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150
And here we have a forum member who was threatened by kifeas and his then side kick De la sol.
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Moose, I agree that the Mods can't be there all the time to police the Forum but there was a Mod when the first insults and threats (by Kiefeas)were made against me (see page page 10, Mon 13 Feb 12.55am and 1am of Mods reply to Kiefeas). It could and should have been stopped there and then before the second poster (Delasol) had the chance to threaten me.
Maybe just as well that it wasn't stopped because it gave the other posters the chance to see what these two are like and what extremes they would go to to force their will on to others. I am certain that some of the other posters support what Kiefeas and Delasol did/do but at least they were/are civilised enough to not go public. |
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2802
And here you have kifeas saying he WILL do it again.
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This is my official reply to the above stated official warning.
1. I have absolutely no regrets for whatever I have posted so far in the forum.
2. It is your duty (administrators /moderators) to keep the forum civilized and protect the other members from posters that come here with the sole aim to provoke and /or insult in hidden ways and /or support and /or promote illegalities and /or illegal and /or inhumane ideas. So far you havent done this in an effective way whatsoever.
3. If you believe that I have no right to respond in the harshest possible way and to even suggest violence towards anyone who directly or indirectly claims and /or propagandizes that it was right that my human rights were violated, it is right that they continue to be violate and it is right that they should continue to be violated in the future, then so be it, go ahead and ban me. I have better things to do in life.
4. I reserve my right to respond to such postings in the future in the way I find suitable at the time and based on the degree of provocation.
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April of '69
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Coming back to the original topic of this post, which was Tassos Papadopoulos's involvement in the Greek Cypriot underground group known as the "Organisation" of the early 1960's as hinted at by Demetris Christofias and as reported on by Loucas Charalambous.
I believe that public criticism of Turkish Cypriot political leaders, past or present, by Greek Cypriots, and of Greek Cypriot leaders, past or present, by Turkish Cypriots, no matter how justified, does not take us anywhere. If a Greek Cypriot writes a whole volume of criticism about, say, Rauf Denktas, who will he convince? What will he achieve? Likewise, if a Turkish Cypriot criticises Makarios, or Grivas, or Tassos Papadopoulos, what is achieved?
If however, a Greek Cypriot writes a volume of criticism about Makarios, Grivas, or Tassos Papadopoulos, it might go some way towards getting their own community to own their share of the responsibility and thereby towards beginning to effect change. Same goes for a Turkish Cypriot and Rauf Denktas, for example.
Several Greek Cypriots have already done this, both in the press and in books - the previously mentioned Loucas Charalambous being one, Makarios Droushiotis with his well-known series of books being another. Turkish Cypriot writers like Alkan Caglar and Sener Levent, and, I am sure, others who I'm not aaware of, are doing the same in the Turkish Cypriot community.
I would like to see each of us direct our critical gaze at, and speak out in criticism of, the political leaders of our own community, just like the above-mentioned writers. That way we might effect change. Criticising the other community's leaders can't effect change. I believe it often supports maintenance of the status quo. I believe it often helps the cause of those who would prefer to see all Cypriots never mature, never assume responsibility, never own their actions and their consequences, those who prefer to see us always continue to blame the "others" and remain captives of our disastrous choices of the past.
All the best to everyone. |
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Kifeas
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| brother wrote: |
| stavrizatz wrote: |
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| ...i see kifeas and yourself as extremists due to the countless times you have expressed a desire for a war in cyprus |
I never read kifeas express a desire for war in Cyprus but when GR wrote about war he refered to a liberation struggle against Turkey, and imo it is nothing extreme about that. In fact I believe Turkish Cypriots should join other Cypriots if ever such struggle takes place, but I doubt it will...besides all other possibilities are not yet excausted.
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I STILL challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
1. Retract his false claim.
2. Apologize to each of the members he has wrongly accused. |
What did brother accuse you for? Clearly he doesn't really like you and he uses negative language against you and kifeas but what is he exactly accussing you for |
Stav i have known kifeas for some time and was once a person i had great admiration for as his thoughts and opinions were inspirational and was a pleasure to read his debates and debate with him and was a very polite person also, then one day for reasons only he knows he started to take a extreme stance on the cyprus problem followed with what i and most others that know him started to be angry in his dealings and thoughts and since has carried on this way.
Some of Kifeas quotes Preparing for War:
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:16 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43855#43855
I am glad to notice more and more that the only idea that we G/Cs are beginning to come to terms with, is the idea that we will eventually have to find a war one day, in order to safeguard and reinstate our rights in our homeland, should the immoral, unethical and illegal claims and plans of those thieves and outlaws (pro-partitionists,) ever become a reality.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:54 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878
Believe me Alexios, more and more G/Cs are getting used to this idea and in fact are preparing themselves, both physically and mentally, so that they will be able to cope in the best and most productive way, in view of such an eventuality. I see it everyday in the gym that I attend, as I see it also in the shooting club I go every week in Pafos for practicing. The members in both places have multiplied recently, and since I started about 3 moths ago, I noticed that from 50 members that that particular gym had, it now has over 400 and it changed its schedule and stays 18 hours open in order to accommodate the demand. Everyones spirit is running very high, and the same experience I also had the pleasure to hear from the mouths of another 2 gym owners that I have spoken with. The reservists in the national guard that I attend once a month, are now all coming on time and dressed properly, unlike the way it was in the past were only 60-70% were showing and most of them not on time and dressed in jeans and T-shirts. If you speak to them the first thing you will notice is the sheer determination in the tone of everybody's voice and eyes. If you haven't started exercising, do it now so that you prove useful to your country when the time is due! I have lost 10 kilos since I started, about 3 months ago and I now feel like an 18 year old but with the experience of a 40 year old man.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:23 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&start=75
Listen little Alexios, I will not waste my time with all those ignorants that post all those nonsense, because all of them live outside Cyprus and they are not in touch of the realities here. I understand that all your denial comes from the fact that you are afraid to fight for your rights and hope that the thieves and the outlaws that have stolen your homeland, will ever come and gift it back to you. Have you ever seen any thieve returning the stolen goods before the police gets hold on him? Never! The same in this case! Have you seen the partition poll in the other thread? Eight outlaws and thieves voted in favor of partition, just because they hope that this will legitimize the theft and the looting their immoral motherland committed, and only 4 were the decent and honest ones to vote against it. Do you ever believe that you are going to reach an fair agreement with such outlaws and pirates that think in exactly the same way that mafia thinks and practices, when they display their aims in such an audacious way and manner. You are very nave to have such impression.
Never the less, if you still feel that you can contribute something to your country, there will be some vacancies in the womens sections where food will be prepared for the troops, due to the very high demand by most of our women to also be able to fight on the front lines together with their sons, brothers and husbands. In fact, in the gyms around Cyprus and in the shooting clubs that I spoke about earlier, the Cypriot women participants outnumber men by 2 to 1, and this shows the determination of all out people (with few exceptions of course) to sacrifice even their own selves if it becomes necessary, for justice and to claim back our stolen homeland, our stolen churches, cemeteries, monuments, houses, properties, our stolen history and identity and all the rest that the thieves and looters had stolen from us in 1974 and which they claim to be theirs now.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:35 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43958ꮶ
I said the women that are practicing and exercising in the shooting clubs! Men also do training and shooting practice in the Army, when they do their service and also when they join once every month or two for a training day. Nevertheless, you will be shocked how well some of those women perform in most of the areas. Some of them outperform most men, for your information!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:50 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43971#43971
Listen brother, the T/Cs are not our target, and they have nothing to be afraid of, as long as they do not choose to defend the thieves, the looters and the outlaws that wish to usurp what belongs to us, including the northern part of our country. In such a case, you just have to raise a Cypriot flag outside your house, and I can assure you no one will harm you! We recognize your rights as citizens and people of this country, and we are not after you physically or in any other way. We will be only after the scumbags and the thieves who wish to usurp our properties and our historical rights in this country and claim it to be their own country, and for which they work day and night to convince the rest of the world to grant them partition rights, in the expense of the G/Cs!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:11 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43983#43983
Little Moose, unlike you who has seen a war only in TV and the movies, I have lived through a war and I know precisely what it is like. Therefore, before sailing for your cleverish sermons, know first to whom you are talking! My concern is not war itself, but how to be on the winning end, and rest sure this time we have the right plans and means in place so that when the time will be right, we are as close to the winning end as possible. We just need to do a few more purchases and also work a little bit on peoples moral aspect. As you might have read in your text books, the most important thing in a war is not how to win back your territory, but how to retain it afterwards. On this aspect we have to do some more purchases.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:29 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&start=105
Listen Brother, how many hours do you hope those 50,000 eighteen year old Turkish soldiers will resist, before the 150,000 strong 20-45 year old mature, armed to the teeth and above all, angry and fully determined G/C reservists drive them to the Kyrenia coast, when we all of suddenly attack in the middle of a cold and moonless night? I bet you by 4 am we will be drinking coffee in Kyrenia harbor, as it takes only 2 hours by foot to cross the 30 kilometers that separate us from Nicosia to Kyrenia.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:46 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44010#44010
You are just talking nonsense and rubbish pezo!
You see people; this is what I had in mind when i said that we still need to work a little bit more on the moral factor of some people. It is cowards like Alexios and cypezokyli that I had in mind! No wander all such people incline towards Papapetrou party (EDI,) which luckily happens to represent only 0.50% of the G/Cs.
Unless of course you are trying to deceive the opponent and make them rest sure that nothing will happen, so that our surprise operation will have maximum results. In such a case, I have to congratulate you for your very clever thought indeed, and I must admit I never though of such a trick my self!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:51 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44021#44021
My friend, I never spoke about a full scale war with Turkey, but only a local one that will aim to throw the thieves, the pirates and the looters out of our country. I never said that we plan to invade Turkey and land troops on her soil so that we occupy part of Turkey. If I had said this, then you are perfectly justified to claim all you have claimed. |
I see “Brother,” your dear friend Erol has done a good job re-collecting and preparing for you a full selection of posts that I have made in the past, in order to help you “prove” that Kifeas is a “war monger,” and therefore “justify” your vilification attempts against me. Both you and your friend Erol -who seems to have an abundance of free time seating in front of his computer (almost 24/24,) are a joke indeed!
Of course, I know it is beyond your mental capabilities to comprehend that even if the term “war monger” means someone who reserves his right to liberate his illegally usurped and occupied country and properties in the same way that this was usurped and occupied in the first place, if that is proved to be the only possible way; that Kifeas may as well regard the characterization of a “war monger” as an honor!
You (and your friend Erol apparently) seem to believe that by providing the above list of comments, this will be sufficient to “expose” and “discredit” Kifeas! Well, I tell you a secret! The majority of forum posters are laughing at your attitude! They are laughing because they know that the real “war mongers” are those that invaded (with the use of military force,) ethnically cleansed an entire Cypriot population from their ancestral lands, usurped all their properties, and continue to illegally occupy them with the use of guns, and of course those others supporting this act and trying to moralize and justify it; and NOT those (the victims) that claim the right to reverse the injustice and the illegality, even with forceful means!
To claim that because of all the above, I express a desire for a war and therefore I am a "war monger" or an "extremist;" must truly be the ultimate of twisted logic and hypocrisy! |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| I see “Brother,” your dear friend Erol has done a good job.... |
I had nothing to do with brothers post just for the record. Of course accuracy and truth probably do not matter that much to you Kifeas.
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... even if the term “war monger” means someone who reserves his right to liberate his illegally usurped and occupied country and properties in the same way that this was usurped and occupied in the first place, if that is proved to be the only possible way; that Kifeas may as well regard the characterization of a “war monger” as an honor! |
If force of arms is a valid means of 'liberation' then Turkish action in 74 was itself a valid act to liberate Turkish Cypriot from Greek Cypriot oppression and the prior usurpation of the Republic by them via force of arms.
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| The majority of forum posters are laughing at your attitude! |
In my experience it is those with no valiud arguments that resort to asserting what the 'majority of forum posters' know or think or do. You can CLAIM to speak for the majority Kifeas but like many of your claims it does not mean it is really so beyond in your own imagination.
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They are laughing because they know that the real “war mongers” are those that invaded (with the use of military force,) ethnically cleansed an entire Cypriot population from their ancestral lands, usurped all their properties, and continue to illegally occupy them with the use of guns, and of course those others supporting this act and trying to moralize and justify it; and NOT those (the victims) that claim the right to reverse the injustice and the illegality, even with forceful means! |
Turkish Cypriot did not invade Cyprus. They were already there. Since when has 1/3 rd of Greek Cypriot been an ENTIRE Cypriot population ?
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To claim that because of all the above, I express a desire for a war and therefore I am a "war monger" or an "extremist;" must truly be the ultimate of twisted logic and hypocrisy! |
To claim that you express a desire for war as a means of 'solving' the Cyprus problem as it exits today, if you do express that desire is to do not more than point out fact and reality. |
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Kifeas let me add this.
You are angry. I understand your anger. You have reason to be angry. However I firmly believe that anger can not help us solve this problem. Nor do I blieve can more violence ontop of old violence do that.
Whilst I understand and accept your anger I do not accept that doing nothing but expressing that anger here or elsewhere is the only thing you are capable of doing. At the end of the day you CHOSE to only express that anger and in doing so you imho take us futher from a solution not closer. |
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repulsewarrior
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Welcome April of '69. If you don't mind me asking what does your moniker mean? Great post, hope to hear from you more often.
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Kifeas, and the rest of us take heed, because it can't be said better. Thanks erolz. |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| brother wrote: |
| stavrizatz wrote: |
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| ...i see kifeas and yourself as extremists due to the countless times you have expressed a desire for a war in cyprus |
I never read kifeas express a desire for war in Cyprus but when GR wrote about war he refered to a liberation struggle against Turkey, and imo it is nothing extreme about that. In fact I believe Turkish Cypriots should join other Cypriots if ever such struggle takes place, but I doubt it will...besides all other possibilities are not yet excausted.
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I STILL challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
1. Retract his false claim.
2. Apologize to each of the members he has wrongly accused. |
What did brother accuse you for? Clearly he doesn't really like you and he uses negative language against you and kifea
s but what is he exactly accussing you for |
Stav i have known kifeas for some time and was once a person i had great admiration for as his thoughts and opinions were inspirational and was a pleasure to read his debates and debate with him and was a very polite person also, then one day for reasons only he knows he started to take a extreme stance on the cyprus problem followed with what i and most others that know him started to be angry in his dealings and thoughts and since has carried on this way.
Some of Kifeas quotes Preparing for War:
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:16 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43855#43855
I am glad to notice more and more that the only idea that we G/Cs are beginning to come to terms with, is the idea that we will eventually have to find a war one day, in order to safeguard and reinstate our rights in our homeland, should the immoral, unethical and illegal claims and plans of those thieves and outlaws (pro-partitionists,) ever become a reality.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:54 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878
Believe me Alexios, more and more G/Cs are getting used to this idea and in fact are preparing themselves, both physically and mentally, so that they will be able to cope in the best and most productive way, in view of such an eventuality. I see it everyday in the gym that I attend, as I see it also in the shooting club I go every week in Pafos for practicing. The members in both places have multiplied recently, and since I started about 3 moths ago, I noticed that from 50 members that that particular gym had, it now has over 400 and it changed its schedule and stays 18 hours open in order to accommodate the demand. Everyones spirit is running very high, and the same experience I also had the pleasure to hear from the mouths of another 2 gym owners that I have spoken with. The reservists in the national guard that I attend once a month, are now all coming on time and dressed properly, unlike the way it was in the past were only 60-70% were showing and most of them not on time and dressed in jeans and T-shirts. If you speak to them the first thing you will notice is the sheer determination in the tone of everybody's voice and eyes. If you haven't started exercising, do it now so that you prove useful to your country when the time is due! I have lost 10 kilos since I started, about 3 months ago and I now feel like an 18 year old but with the experience of a 40 year old man.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:23 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&start=75
Listen little Alexios, I will not waste my time with all those ignorants that post all those nonsense, because all of them live outside Cyprus and they are not in touch of the realities here. I understand that all your denial comes from the fact that you are afraid to fight for your rights and hope that the thieves and the outlaws that have stolen your homeland, will ever come and gift it back to you. Have you ever seen any thieve returning the stolen goods before the police gets hold on him? Never! The same in this case! Have you seen the partition poll in the other thread? Eight outlaws and thieves voted in favor of partition, just because they hope that this will legitimize the theft and the looting their immoral motherland committed, and only 4 were the decent and honest ones to vote against it. Do you ever believe that you are going to reach an fair agreement with such outlaws and pirates that think in exactly the same way that mafia thinks and practices, when they display their aims in such an audacious way and manner. You are very nave to have such impression.
Never the less, if you still feel that you can contribute something to your country, there will be some vacancies in the womens sections where food will be prepared for the troops, due to the very high demand by most of our women to also be able to fight on the front lines together with their sons, brothers and husbands. In fact, in the gyms around Cyprus and in the shooting clubs that I spoke about earlier, the Cypriot women participants outnumber men by 2 to 1, and this shows the determination of all out people (with few exceptions of course) to sacrifice even their own selves if it becomes necessary, for justice and to claim back our stolen homeland, our stolen churches, cemeteries, monuments, houses, properties, our stolen history and identity and all the rest that the thieves and looters had stolen from us in 1974 and which they claim to be theirs now.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:35 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43958ꮶ
I said the women that are practicing and exercising in the shooting clubs! Men also do training and shooting practice in the Army, when they do their service and also when they join once every month or two for a training day. Nevertheless, you will be shocked how well some of those women perform in most of the areas. Some of them outperform most men, for your information!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:50 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43971#43971
Listen brother, the T/Cs are not our target, and they have nothing to be afraid of, as long as they do not choose to defend the thieves, the looters and the outlaws that wish to usurp what belongs to us, including the northern part of our country. In such a case, you just have to raise a Cypriot flag outside your house, and I can assure you no one will harm you! We recognize your rights as citizens and people of this country, and we are not after you physically or in any other way. We will be only after the scumbags and the thieves who wish to usurp our properties and our historical rights in this country and claim it to be their own country, and for which they work day and night to convince the rest of the world to grant them partition rights, in the expense of the G/Cs!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:11 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43983#43983
Little Moose, unlike you who has seen a war only in TV and the movies, I have lived through a war and I know precisely what it is like. Therefore, before sailing for your cleverish sermons, know first to whom you are talking! My concern is not war itself, but how to be on the winning end, and rest sure this time we have the right plans and means in place so that when the time will be right, we are as close to the winning end as possible. We just need to do a few more purchases and also work a little bit on peoples moral aspect. As you might have read in your text books, the most important thing in a war is not how to win back your territory, but how to retain it afterwards. On this aspect we have to do some more purchases.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:29 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&start=105
Listen Brother, how many hours do you hope those 50,000 eighteen year old Turkish soldiers will resist, before the 150,000 strong 20-45 year old mature, armed to the teeth and above all, angry and fully determined G/C reservists drive them to the Kyrenia coast, when we all of suddenly attack in the middle of a cold and moonless night? I bet you by 4 am we will be drinking coffee in Kyrenia harbor, as it takes only 2 hours by foot to cross the 30 kilometers that separate us from Nicosia to Kyrenia.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:46 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44010#44010
You are just talking nonsense and rubbish pezo!
You see people; this is what I had in mind when i said that we still need to work a little bit more on the moral factor of some people. It is cowards like Alexios and cypezokyli that I had in mind! No wander all such people incline towards Papapetrou party (EDI,) which luckily happens to represent only 0.50% of the G/Cs.
Unless of course you are trying to deceive the opponent and make them rest sure that nothing will happen, so that our surprise operation will have maximum results. In such a case, I have to congratulate you for your very clever thought indeed, and I must admit I never though of such a trick my self!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:51 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44021#44021
My friend, I never spoke about a full scale war with Turkey, but only a local one that will aim to throw the thieves, the pirates and the looters out of our country. I never said that we plan to invade Turkey and land troops on her soil so that we occupy part of Turkey. If I had said this, then you are perfectly justified to claim all you have claimed. |
I see “Brother,” your dear friend Erol has done a good job re-collecting and preparing for you a full selection of posts that I have made in the past, in order to help you “prove” that Kifeas is a “war monger,” and therefore “justify” your vilification attempts against me. Both you and your friend Erol -who seems to have an abundance of free time seating in front of his computer (almost 24/24,) are a joke indeed!
Of course, I know it is beyond your mental capabilities to comprehend that even if the term “war monger” means someone who reserves his right to liberate his illegally usurped and occupied country and properties in the same way that this was usurped and occupied in the first place, if that is proved to be the only possible way; that Kifeas may as well regard the characterization of a “war monger” as an honor!
You (and your friend Erol apparently) seem to believe that by providing the above list of comments, this will be sufficient to “expose” and “discredit” Kifeas! Well, I tell you a secret! The majority of forum posters are laughing at your attitude! They are laughing because they know that the real “war mongers” are those that invaded (with the use of military force,) ethnically cleansed an entire Cypriot population from their ancestral lands, usurped all their properties, and continue to illegally occupy them with the use of guns, and of course those others supporting this act and trying to moralize and justify it; and NOT those (the victims) that claim the right to reverse the injustice and the illegality, even with forceful means!
To claim that because of all the above, I express a desire for a war and therefore I am a "war monger" or an "extremist;" must truly be the ultimate of twisted logic and hypocrisy! |
More and more bullshit falling off your dump truck. You live and prepare for war. The only funny thing is that you'll be stuck at home, with your gun and your your new fat-less body and not knowing what the fuck to do. Keep on grinning greco. Soon you will learn a lesson or two. |
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| repulsewarrior wrote: |
| Welcome April of '69. If you don't mind me asking what does your moniker mean? Great post, hope to hear from you more often. |
Thanks for the welcome.
April of '69 was when I was born here in Cyprus.
I first went to primary school in September 1974 - just weeks after the second phase of the invasion. The school was full of refugee families using it as temporary accommodation. We were crowded fifty to a classroom. What I'll never forget was the prejudice shown by many of the local city children - no doubt inspired by their families - against the refugee children from the villages. That was how I learned shame - a shame I have not overcome to this day. If my own memories are anything to go by, we more fortunate Greek Cypriots who did not lose our homes, property of family in the invasion do not have much to be proud of from the way we treated those who did.
I was eight years old and in my third year of primary school when Makarios died. I was force-fed the ridiculous, cloying Makarios-worship of those days after his death and therefore developed an allergy to canned rhetoric from a very early age.
I was also force-fed the canned rhetoric about our glorious struggles of the past, and the lies about how our glorious struggle was continuing - while all I could see around me were people who had lost their homes, properties or family, or all three, and other people busy making political careers and/or constructing financial empires, out of selling those very same people empty promises at best and shameless, barefaced lies at worst. I therefore also developed a healthy disrespect of politicians and their cronies from that same early age.
Apropos to the current discussion, none of us should be surprised when some of those people who have been so hurt and so systematically lied to over decades become angry - even violently angry. Even angry to the extent of wanting to take up arms.
My belief however is that too few of us Cypriots have constructively channeled their anger into effective political action. When the time comes to go to the ballot, our anger evaporates and we, the Cypriots of both communities, reward those who continue to serve us the same old canned rhetoric. And when we hear it, very few of us speak out to denounce it. Unless of course it's the canned rhetoric of the other community - not that of our own. In that case we're quick off the mark with our criticism, all right. Thus do we do our bit to maintain the status quo and add grist to the mill of those who would hold us prisoners of the consequences of their choices forever.
I wonder if that rage, that anger with which some of us would face the Turkish army and their panoply of land, sea and air power couldn't be more constructively channeled. Let's all declare open season on the politicians of our own community, and not just the ones with the 1960's nationalist past, either. There are very few parts of the political spectrum on both sides of the Green Line from which canned rhetoric, hypocrisy and lies have not emanated at one time or another. Target seen! Let them have it, online, offline and especially, at the ballot box!
My best to everyone, |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
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| ...i see kifeas and yourself as extremists due to the countless times you have expressed a desire for a war in cyprus |
I never read kifeas express a desire for war in Cyprus but when GR wrote about war he refered to a liberation struggle against Turkey, and imo it is nothing extreme about that. In fact I believe Turkish Cypriots should join other Cypriots if ever such struggle takes place, but I doubt it will...besides all other possibilities are not yet excausted.
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I STILL challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
1. Retract his false claim.
2. Apologize to each of the members he has wrongly accused. |
What did brother accuse you for? Clearly he doesn't really like you and he uses negative language against you and kifeas but what is he exactly accussing you for |
Stav i have known kifeas for some time and was once a person i had great admiration for as his thoughts and opinions were inspirational and was a pleasure to read his debates and debate with him and was a very polite person also, then one day for reasons only he knows he started to take a extreme stance on the cyprus problem followed with what i and most others that know him started to be angry in his dealings and thoughts and since has carried on this way.
Some of Kifeas quotes Preparing for War:
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:16 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43855#43855
I am glad to notice more and more that the only idea that we G/Cs are beginning to come to terms with, is the idea that we will eventually have to find a war one day, in order to safeguard and reinstate our rights in our homeland, should the immoral, unethical and illegal claims and plans of those thieves and outlaws (pro-partitionists,) ever become a reality.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:54 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878
Believe me Alexios, more and more G/Cs are getting used to this idea and in fact are preparing themselves, both physically and mentally, so that they will be able to cope in the best and most productive way, in view of such an eventuality. I see it everyday in the gym that I attend, as I see it also in the shooting club I go every week in Pafos for practicing. The members in both places have multiplied recently, and since I started about 3 moths ago, I noticed that from 50 members that that particular gym had, it now has over 400 and it changed its schedule and stays 18 hours open in order to accommodate the demand. Everyones spirit is running very high, and the same experience I also had the pleasure to hear from the mouths of another 2 gym owners that I have spoken with. The reservists in the national guard that I attend once a month, are now all coming on time and dressed properly, unlike the way it was in the past were only 60-70% were showing and most of them not on time and dressed in jeans and T-shirts. If you speak to them the first thing you will notice is the sheer determination in the tone of everybody's voice and eyes. If you haven't started exercising, do it now so that you prove useful to your country when the time is due! I have lost 10 kilos since I started, about 3 months ago and I now feel like an 18 year old but with the experience of a 40 year old man.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:23 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&start=75
Listen little Alexios, I will not waste my time with all those ignorants that post all those nonsense, because all of them live outside Cyprus and they are not in touch of the realities here. I understand that all your denial comes from the fact that you are afraid to fight for your rights and hope that the thieves and the outlaws that have stolen your homeland, will ever come and gift it back to you. Have you ever seen any thieve returning the stolen goods before the police gets hold on him? Never! The same in this case! Have you seen the partition poll in the other thread? Eight outlaws and thieves voted in favor of partition, just because they hope that this will legitimize the theft and the looting their immoral motherland committed, and only 4 were the decent and honest ones to vote against it. Do you ever believe that you are going to reach an fair agreement with such outlaws and pirates that think in exactly the same way that mafia thinks and practices, when they display their aims in such an audacious way and manner. You are very nave to have such impression.
Never the less, if you still feel that you can contribute something to your country, there will be some vacancies in the womens sections where food will be prepared for the troops, due to the very high demand by most of our women to also be able to fight on the front lines together with their sons, brothers and husbands. In fact, in the gyms around Cyprus and in the shooting clubs that I spoke about earlier, the Cypriot women participants outnumber men by 2 to 1, and this shows the determination of all out people (with few exceptions of course) to sacrifice even their own selves if it becomes necessary, for justice and to claim back our stolen homeland, our stolen churches, cemeteries, monuments, houses, properties, our stolen history and identity and all the rest that the thieves and looters had stolen from us in 1974 and which they claim to be theirs now.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:35 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43958ꮶ
I said the women that are practicing and exercising in the shooting clubs! Men also do training and shooting practice in the Army, when they do their service and also when they join once every month or two for a training day. Nevertheless, you will be shocked how well some of those women perform in most of the areas. Some of them outperform most men, for your information!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:50 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43971#43971
Listen brother, the T/Cs are not our target, and they have nothing to be afraid of, as long as they do not choose to defend the thieves, the looters and the outlaws that wish to usurp what belongs to us, including the northern part of our country. In such a case, you just have to raise a Cypriot flag outside your house, and I can assure you no one will harm you! We recognize your rights as citizens and people of this country, and we are not after you physically or in any other way. We will be only after the scumbags and the thieves who wish to usurp our properties and our historical rights in this country and claim it to be their own country, and for which they work day and night to convince the rest of the world to grant them partition rights, in the expense of the G/Cs!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:11 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43983#43983
Little Moose, unlike you who has seen a war only in TV and the movies, I have lived through a war and I know precisely what it is like. Therefore, before sailing for your cleverish sermons, know first to whom you are talking! My concern is not war itself, but how to be on the winning end, and rest sure this time we have the right plans and means in place so that when the time will be right, we are as close to the winning end as possible. We just need to do a few more purchases and also work a little bit on peoples moral aspect. As you might have read in your text books, the most important thing in a war is not how to win back your territory, but how to retain it afterwards. On this aspect we have to do some more purchases.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:29 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2878&start=105
Listen Brother, how many hours do you hope those 50,000 eighteen year old Turkish soldiers will resist, before the 150,000 strong 20-45 year old mature, armed to the teeth and above all, angry and fully determined G/C reservists drive them to the Kyrenia coast, when we all of suddenly attack in the middle of a cold and moonless night? I bet you by 4 am we will be drinking coffee in Kyrenia harbor, as it takes only 2 hours by foot to cross the 30 kilometers that separate us from Nicosia to Kyrenia.
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:46 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44010#44010
You are just talking nonsense and rubbish pezo!
You see people; this is what I had in mind when i said that we still need to work a little bit more on the moral factor of some people. It is cowards like Alexios and cypezokyli that I had in mind! No wander all such people incline towards Papapetrou party (EDI,) which luckily happens to represent only 0.50% of the G/Cs.
Unless of course you are trying to deceive the opponent and make them rest sure that nothing will happen, so that our surprise operation will have maximum results. In such a case, I have to congratulate you for your very clever thought indeed, and I must admit I never though of such a trick my self!
Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 6:51 pm
http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=44021#44021
My friend, I never spoke about a full scale war with Turkey, but only a local one that will aim to throw the thieves, the pirates and the looters out of our country. I never said that we plan to invade Turkey and land troops on her soil so that we occupy part of Turkey. If I had said this, then you are perfectly justified to claim all you have claimed. |
I see “Brother,” your dear friend Erol has done a good job re-collecting and preparing for you a full selection of posts that I have made in the past, in order to help you “prove” that Kifeas is a “war monger,” and therefore “justify” your vilification attempts against me. Both you and your friend Erol -who seems to have an abundance of free time seating in front of his computer (almost 24/24,) are a joke indeed!
Of course, I know it is beyond your mental capabilities to comprehend that even if the term “war monger” means someone who reserves his right to liberate his illegally usurped and occupied country and properties in the same way that this was usurped and occupied in the first place, if that is proved to be the only possible way; that Kifeas may as well regard the characterization of a “war monger” as an honor!
You (and your friend Erol apparently) seem to believe that by providing the above list of comments, this will be sufficient to “expose” and “discredit” Kifeas! Well, I tell you a secret! The majority of forum posters are laughing at your attitude! They are laughing because they know that the real “war mongers” are those that invaded (with the use of military force,) ethnically cleansed an entire Cypriot population from their ancestral lands, usurped all their properties, and continue to illegally occupy them with the use of guns, and of course those others supporting this act and trying to moralize and justify it; and NOT those (the victims) that claim the right to reverse the injustice and the illegality, even with forceful means!
To claim that because of all the above, I express a desire for a war and therefore I am a "war monger" or an "extremist;" must truly be the ultimate of twisted logic and hypocrisy! |
Kalimera Kifeas,
Erol has done nothing as you have claimed and has stayed neutral on this and yes he is my friend as you once was, the above WERE ALL WRITTEN BY YOU and there is NO justification for a war, aggression or abuse that from your posts are constantly guilty of and never seem to have remorse and whatever words you choose to use it is open for all to see what an extremist you are.
YOU HAD THE MAKINGS OF MAN THAT COULD DEBATE AND THROUGH DEBATE EARN THE RESPECT OF THE MANY but now from the countless members i have spoken to it is YOU they laugh at and at the same time cry for you as they see your turning to extremism as a big loss as i do also.
Whatever you say or do you cannot dispute what you have written and my posting of it was for the benefit of newer members who do not know you to be not taken in as i believe you are bad for cyprus with your current stance.
I guess all that can be said has been and i leave it to the membership to go through BOTH our posts of past and present and decide which one of us is to be laughed at for their stance on the cyprus problem, i have nothing to hide and can stand up and be counted. |
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I had temporarily blocked this topic and have now inlocked it. it has gone slightly off topic, but please can we make sure we stick to the original topic post.
No personal insults either, as it will be quarantined and warned without hesitation. If another slagging match occurs, then the topic will be locked.
Please can we draw a line here and start afresh, whether or not you 'got the last word' or not. Stick to the topic, and argue the point, not the person.
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| April of '69 wrote: |
Coming back to the original topic of this post, which was Tassos Papadopoulos's involvement in the Greek Cypriot underground group known as the "Organisation" of the early 1960's as hinted at by Demetris Christofias and as reported on by Loucas Charalambous.
I believe that public criticism of Turkish Cypriot political leaders, past or present, by Greek Cypriots, and of Greek Cypriot leaders, past or present, by Turkish Cypriots, no matter how justified, does not take us anywhere. If a Greek Cypriot writes a whole volume of criticism about, say, Rauf Denktas, who will he convince? What will he achieve? Likewise, if a Turkish Cypriot criticises Makarios, or Grivas, or Tassos Papadopoulos, what is achieved?
If however, a Greek Cypriot writes a volume of criticism about Makarios, Grivas, or Tassos Papadopoulos, it might go some way towards getting their own community to own their share of the responsibility and thereby towards beginning to effect change. Same goes for a Turkish Cypriot and Rauf Denktas, for example.
Several Greek Cypriots have already done this, both in the press and in books - the previously mentioned Loucas Charalambous being one, Makarios Droushiotis with his well-known series of books being another. Turkish Cypriot writers like Alkan Caglar and Sener Levent, and, I am sure, others who I'm not aaware of, are doing the same in the Turkish Cypriot community.
I would like to see each of us direct our critical gaze at, and speak out in criticism of, the political leaders of our own community, just like the above-mentioned writers. That way we might effect change. Criticising the other community's leaders can't effect change. I believe it often supports maintenance of the status quo. I believe it often helps the cause of those who would prefer to see all Cypriots never mature, never assume responsibility, never own their actions and their consequences, those who prefer to see us always continue to blame the "others" and remain captives of our disastrous choices of the past.
All the best to everyone. |
While i find what you say very credible and on par with my thoughts nearly all the people you listed are dead or out of politics hence their effect on the cyprus problem is minimal at best but Tpap is currently in the top job in cyprus and has imo pushed us backwards not forwards, while i personally despise him for his past discretions especially for what i see as direct involvement in the cyprus problem, i can get over that if he was to approach the cyprus problem with a positive outlook and a pragmatic approach and im not expecting him to bend over backwards either but when he goes around pretending to represent all cypriots and then makes a big speech that he is the protector of the hellenic people and he is leading the fight to protect the hellenes in cyprus hardly makes me want to believe anything that comes out of his mouth and also is an insult to all non Greek Cypriot and add to that for 4 years he has refused to meet the democratically elected Turkish Cypriot president until a few weeks ago just to gain some votes leads me to the conclusion that this man has not changed one iota and if anything is now more dangerous then back in the 60's and 70's. |
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