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brother
Warnings : 3
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Joined: 15 Aug 2005
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Location: London/Cyprus
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My obsession is with cyprus and what will be good for her and all her people, Tpap has been the worst thing that has happened in cyprus for the last 50 years and as president of the Republic of Cyprus he has pushed the cyprus problem BACKWARDS not fowards, i post this to open the eyes of the many newer members who have joined and those that just read and do not post, im my mind the re-election of this terrorist will seal the partition of the island hence my ethical duty to inform all of what and whom they are voting for.
Also i would like to add that loucas charalambous and Alkan Caglar are the same kind of person that tell it as it really is despite the threats to their well being from vicious people like kifeas, GR etc. and i would say its high time people pay attention to what they are saying as if they were lies these rich and powerful people would have taken them to court for slander etc. by now. |
I don't particularly fancy papadopoullos but I am somehow offended calling him a terrorist. When Klerides was president you were propably saying the same thing. Clerides is also one of the authors of Akritas Plan.
As for GR and Kifeas they have their opinions. Everyone has their opinions, when are we going to accept that we have two different narratives of what have happened and listen to each other and learn from each other? |
Hi stav,
having opinions i do not have an issue with and also have respect for, what i do not stomach well is threats, blackmail and enticement of war and hatred which kifeas and GR are constantly doing hence i see them in the light of the worst kind of extremist that are the biggest threat to cyprus and all her people.
While it is not my intention to offend you or anyone else i also have opinions and when it comes to Tpap they are not the best due to my knowledge of what he has done hence my title label, i will try in the future to be more sensitive to your good self and others and use better thought out ways of wording when it comes to Tpap.  |
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Mete
Warnings : 3
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Joined: 16 Aug 2005
Posts: 1150
Location: Boston
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| Get Real! wrote: |
This allegation is nothing but unsubstantiated rubbish and I hereby challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
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I agree that moderators should be more careful about their posts but at the same time, if you followed Kifeas' posts recently, he has been nothing but a nuisance for the forum. I used to respect him and I think he argues well for the most part and I'd like to see him come back with his old style but if all he's going to do is talk about fat asses or people being childish and all that BS, we're better off without him. |
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erolz
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Joined: 11 Aug 2005
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Location: Kyrenia / Girne
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Kifeas is not banned, pending further discussion amongst the admin/mod team.
When the personal abuse started in this thread I ignored it, hoping that people would act like sensible responsible adults. Clearly that was a mistake.
Several people here have behaved in ways that are not compatible with the spirit or the rules of this forum.
I am now reverting back to enforcing the rules as I feel I have no other choice.
The current rules on 'unacceptable posts' is as follows.
Mods/admins will not take any action against a post until it is reported. When a post is reported any mod can and will indivdualy make a judgment call as to if it is in breach of the rules and if they deem it in breach it will be quarantined and the poster warned. When a poster reaches 10 warnings they will be suspended for one week. A mod / admin can themselves report a post ,but if they do so they can not then action that report. Another mod must decide to do that.
The above then are the rules currently enforced. Any action by mods outside of these rules will be dealt with.
If it is decided that these current rules are not sufficent to protect and ensure the optium running of the forum then they will be discussed , first by the mod /admion team and then with the whole membership and may be changed. If they are changed this will be done in an open and transparent manner and changes to the rules will not be applied in a retor active manner.
2 of Kifeas' posts have been reported (by different people) and I have quarantined these. GR you appear to have reported a post but as far as I can tell, be it because of a system problem or mistake on your part, you seem to have reported your own post. If you do wish to report a pst other than your own, please PM me and let me know which post it is that you want to report and I will action it. I have also gone back over the thread an myself reported ALL posts I think are in breach of the rules. It will be upto the other mod / admins to action these posts I have reported or not as they see fit.
Anyone that claims 'bias' in the application of these rules who DOES NOT report offending posts has imo no case at all. Mods / admins can only take action if a post is reported. If in practice only some people posts are reported and thus quarantined, those people can not claim bias on the part of the mod / admin team unless the person claiming bias themselves report posts they think are also in breach of the rules and have not been actioned. |
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repulsewarrior
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Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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Location: a cypriot in canada
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...now is a good time for two guys to step back and say, "I choose to be a better man, I choose to forgive our frailties, I choose to accept that I have frailties too. I choose to embrace the future and to change myself."
Holy Mackeral, I tell you. I read brothers quotes so many times and it only dawned on me that, read literally, it is a personal insult.
But this is a problem we all have, only all the more twisted. Using each other as examples of some typical behaviour, this form of generalisation to explain the Problem is the problem.
...oh yes we talk to each other, often times our distinctions are made to be weapons, in possesion of which there is held some exclusivity.
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repulsewarrior
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Kifeas, obviously these people respect you because your simple schoolyard behaviour provokes their great concern. If they didn't know any better, you would be the come along crack head who is off, just shooting a mouth. However, I like them hope that you will help our cause, greater than any one of us, for the Freedom, all the island's dwellers have been waiting for so long.
Obviously, your return as a bitter person is a disappointment, but it proves to me that you care for us as well. |
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Get Real!
Warnings : 3
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Joined: 28 Dec 2006
Posts: 325
Location: Nicosia
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| Mete wrote: |
| Get Real! wrote: |
This allegation is nothing but unsubstantiated rubbish and I hereby challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
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I agree that moderators should be more careful about their posts but at the same time, if you followed Kifeas' posts recently, he has been nothing but a nuisance for the forum. I used to respect him and I think he argues well for the most part and I'd like to see him come back with his old style but if all he's going to do is talk about fat asses or people being childish and all that BS, we're better off without him. |
The problem was clearly INITIATED by Brother, who happens to be a forum “moderator” I might add, and who saw fit to LURE the seemingly short-tempered Kifeas, who up to that time was INACTIVE in this thread, knowing that Kifeas would most likely respond emphatically, and finally proceeded to abuse the power assigned to him as moderator to complete his evidently premeditated plan to eliminate Kifeas from the forum.
If there has ever been a clear case of a premeditated forum malevolence we have just witnessed it through Brother’s actions. |
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Mete
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Joined: 16 Aug 2005
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Location: Boston
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| Get Real! wrote: |
The problem was clearly INITIATED by Brother, who happens to be a forum “moderator” I might add, and who saw fit to LURE the seemingly short-tempered Kifeas, who up to that time was INACTIVE in this thread, knowing that Kifeas would most likely respond emphatically, and finally proceeded to abuse the power assigned to him as moderator to complete his evidently premeditated plan to eliminate Kifeas from the forum.
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I'll say one more time. I think moderators should be more careful not to pick on certain members if we're going to have an open forum but this doesn't mean that moderators cannot have opinions. What brother said was his personal opinion and you can agree or disagree. However, what Kifeas said was immature and insulting to brother and when I pointed Kifeas that what he did was stupid, he continued his insults by calling me a kid. This is not constructive at all and against forum policies.
So, yes, brother, being a moderator could have been more responsible but he only stated his opinion in a non-destructive way. Kifeas, on the other hand, expressed his opinion in a very insulting way not to just brother but to myself as well for warning him for being stupid.
As I said before, I'd like to see Kifeas back in his old mature self...but if he can't do that, I don't see any point in having him in this forum to throw insults to people. |
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stavrizatz
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Joined: 20 Feb 2006
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Location: Australia / Lefkosia
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Hey all of us, respecting the forum rules is for good of every member. We can have more constractive conversations without personal abuse on other forum members. If it happens rarely as a result of frustration, then ok... and I guess that is why there are warnings.
Good job Erolz, it seems a lot of work going back reporting posts.
ps. If Brother you believe Kifeas and GR are extremist, wait until you meet an extremist. I think they get easily frustrated but I've never read any posts by them that show extremism. |
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cypezokyli
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i think what can cause a problem is when a forum member and a mod get on a personal duel, and the mod decides to ban the other person (temporary or permanently) .
in such a case it is irrelevant whether the mod was right or wrong in his/her decision.
in such a case it is more appropriate for the rest of the mod/admin team to make this decision. |
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cypezokyli
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| Mete wrote: |
| What brother said was his personal opinion and you can agree or disagree. However, what Kifeas said was immature and insulting to brother and when I pointed Kifeas that what he did was stupid, he continued his insults by calling me a kid. |
this will simply lead to another futile discussion of what is an "insult".
and i honestly cannot see how two people can ever agree that "vicious" is not an insult, while "kid" is.
as far as i am concerned, the admin took action, and this case is closed |
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repulsewarrior
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All very good points, but, it is up to the individual to choose the focus of their acts. brother spoke badly, however his frustration is with all people who have a charm that is filled with malice. This incident will most likely make brother a better person because he will be more careful, he will be more aware, unlike the people who continue in an unchanging Ignorance, from what I gather, he abhors.
When your enemy lies helpless before you, you choose. The bitterness of the past is not the issue, nor the personal failings, it is much more important, the exchange that has the charity of giving as well as reason.
...and need I remind you that we need to help each other, and we need to change ourselves, to end this impasse. |
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Get Real!
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Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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Unfortunately, Brother is STILL implying that two members of this board, namely Kifeas and GR, have at some stage threatened two journalists, namely Loucas Charalambous and Alkan Caglar, with undisclosed threats serious enough to affect the journalist’s well being!
I STILL challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
1. Retract his false claim.
2. Apologize to each of the members he has wrongly accused.
This is NOT going to go away Brother so stop hiding around and come and face the music like a man. |
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brother
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Joined: 15 Aug 2005
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| Get Real! wrote: |
Unfortunately, Brother is STILL implying that two members of this board, namely Kifeas and GR, have at some stage threatened two journalists, namely Loucas Charalambous and Alkan Caglar, with undisclosed threats serious enough to affect the journalist’s well being!
I STILL challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
1. Retract his false claim.
2. Apologize to each of the members he has wrongly accused.
This is NOT going to go away Brother so stop hiding around and come and face the music like a man. |
What a load of rubbish you come out with, i see kifeas and yourself as extremists due to the countless times you have expressed a desire for a war in cyprus, for your uncompromising attitudes and your general attitude to Turkish Cypriot and the cyprus problem, which BTW is evident in both your past posts for all and sundry to see.
Coming to the above so called claim of yours where you allege i said you threatened journalists, it is clear to all and sundry again that is NOT what i said but you have chosen to twist my words and present them differently as you see them in your mind, the reason behind this is either your comprehension of the english grammer and language is weak or you are trying to raise tensions on the forum.
What i said is;
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| their well being from angry people like kifeas, GR etc |
In that sentence i catagorically do NOT accuse you or kifeas of threatening journalists but resemble you to people that do, through you posts and debates on this forum that is the opinion i have come to about kifeas and yourself and my opinion is exactly that, my own which under the freedom of speech am entitled too wether you like it or not.
Lastly you said
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| This is NOT going to go away Brother so stop hiding around and come and face the music like a man. |
Here you are trying to entice me into degenerating the forum but that will not work and shows the caliber of person you are when you try to make an underhand comment relating to my manhood, i say 'shame on you' for resorting to such tactics. |
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repulsewarrior
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Location: a cypriot in canada
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brother, a simple apology would be useful, and make you the better man. As I said before, I got your point, like many others. But, literally, there was the opportunity to read into the statement the accusation.
It proves the point that people see what they want to see.
Anyway, I don't see you in a lesser light. As for Mr. K and GR I will continue to work with them toward an open dialog which ends the impasse known as the Cyprus Problem. |
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stavrizatz
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Joined: 20 Feb 2006
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Location: Australia / Lefkosia
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| ...i see kifeas and yourself as extremists due to the countless times you have expressed a desire for a war in cyprus |
I never read kifeas express a desire for war in Cyprus but when GR wrote about war he refered to a liberation struggle against Turkey, and imo it is nothing extreme about that. In fact I believe Turkish Cypriots should join other Cypriots if ever such struggle takes place, but I doubt it will...besides all other possibilities are not yet excausted.
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I STILL challenge Brother to PROVE this or Brother should:
1. Retract his false claim.
2. Apologize to each of the members he has wrongly accused. |
What did brother accuse you for? Clearly he doesn't really like you and he uses negative language against you and kifeas but what is he exactly accussing you for |
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