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city
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It doesn't make one iota difference cause your source still states half a million vs. the 98k you quoted above....
Apart from that I consider people with opinions like yours as the most dangerous. War is never a solution. All it ever brought to mankind was millions dead, inhumane suffering, ongoing conflicts, genocide.... (and the list goes on) |
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stavrizatz
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GR and assuming Cyprus has a military victory over Turkish troops in the north what will we achieve?
Ok we will be able to return in our ancestral lands but do you believe that Turkey will just accept that. They will invade and they will furiously spread terror. They will not be fighting for any ideal like we would... they will be fighting for revenge and the concequences I believe will be tragic. Anyway those are hypothetical scenarios and very unlikely to occer.
As for apology, it doesn't mean much to me to hear an apology from Turkish Cypriots who were not directly involved with any atrocities. For me it is more important that some significant parts of our history are not forgoten and acknowledged by the other community. |
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Get Real!
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| city wrote: |
| It doesn't make one iota difference cause your source still states half a million vs. the 98k you quoted above.... |
You seem to be under the impression that when wars are fought all the men line up in rows to see who’s got the most to declare the winner! There is not enough battlefield on a small island like Cyprus for that many soldiers to be all fighting at once so this is not how wars are fought but via strategic maneuvers with respect to time that cause the other side to panic, make errors, and then offer concessions on the negotiating table.
Nobody said anything about fighting for the next five years to see if there are any men left standing because this isn’t a world war we’re talking about and there is not a doubt in my mind that the geopolitical repercussions will be severe for Turkey win or lose.
Unfortunately, Cyprus will have to sacrifice some of her young generations so that future generations of Cypriots will live free on their liberated island from the Turkic curse that began in 1571.
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| Apart from that I consider people with opinions like yours as the most dangerous. War is never a solution. All it ever brought to mankind was millions dead, inhumane suffering, ongoing conflicts, genocide.... (and the list goes on) |
Again, Nobel peace prize talk doesn’t work in this part of the world because this is Turkey we’re dealing with here so forget about trying to reason with Anatolians for they only understand the language of force I assure you. |
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Mete
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And your "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" hasn't? Laughing
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See, you could say that if Erol or I fiercely supported the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (as you support war and bloodshed!) and if we rubbed in your face that Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will live forever and you can kiss goodbye to your properties in the north, etc. etc. But we don't do that because we are realists. We realize that the current situation cannot be sustained and we have to find a solution sooner or later, and in a united Cyprus, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will transform its funtionality into a Turkish Cypriot state within a federal united Cyprus. You, on the other hand, are a crazy dreamer (and a bad one if you ask me) where you can seriously entertain the idea that 100.000 semi professional soldiers can bring down a country of 70+ million. |
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Mete
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Again, Nobel peace prize talk doesn’t work in this part of the world because this is Turkey we’re dealing with here so forget about trying to reason with Anatolians for they only understand the language of force I assure you.
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I'm sure there are plenty of Anatolians that will be happy to show you their "language" if you are crazy enough to attempt what you said. |
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Get Real!
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| stavrizatz wrote: |
| GR and assuming Cyprus has a military victory over Turkish troops in the north what will we achieve? |
 I'll pretend I didn't see this... I've already got a great tagline!
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| Ok we will be able to return in our ancestral lands but do you believe that Turkey will just accept that. They will invade and they will furiously spread terror. They will not be fighting for any ideal like we would... they will be fighting for revenge and the concequences I believe will be tragic. Anyway those are hypothetical scenarios and very unlikely to occer. |
See my last response to "city".
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| As for apology, it doesn't mean much to me to hear an apology from Turkish Cypriots who were not directly involved with any atrocities. For me it is more important that some significant parts of our history are not forgoten and acknowledged by the other community. |
You'll be waiting a long time... if they had any respect for any of that they wouldn't be invading here and violating your rights repeatedly. |
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Get Real!
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| Mete wrote: |
| Get Real! wrote: |
Again, Nobel peace prize talk doesn’t work in this part of the world because this is Turkey we’re dealing with here so forget about trying to reason with Anatolians for they only understand the language of force I assure you. |
I'm sure there are plenty of Anatolians that will be happy to show you their "language" if you are crazy enough to attempt what you said. |
I understand they are VERY sensitive to embarrassment so something tells me it shouldn't take much for them to capitulate... understanding the Turkic psyche is the key. |
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Get Real!
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| Mete wrote: |
| See, you could say that if Erol or I fiercely supported the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (as you support war and bloodshed!) and if we rubbed in your face that Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will live forever and you can kiss goodbye to your properties in the north, etc. etc. But we don't do that because we are realists. We realize that the current situation cannot be sustained and we have to find a solution sooner or later, and in a united Cyprus, Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus will transform its funtionality into a Turkish Cypriot state within a federal united Cyprus. You, on the other hand, are a crazy dreamer (and a bad one if you ask me) where you can seriously entertain the idea that 100.000 semi professional soldiers can bring down a country of 70+ million. |
I’m no longer interested in doing deals with Turkish Cypriots because I’m not as patient as TP I’m afraid and I’ve already had enough of your treasonous ways. As far as I’m concerned you either assimilate/integrate yesterday or go to hell with Turkey where you belong. We’ve already wasted enough time with your petty nonsense.
As you clearly admit here yourself, the only reason you're pushing for a "union" is because you haven't been allowed by the international community to get away with your crimes... who do you really think you're fooling son? |
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erolz
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| As far as I’m concerned you either assimilate/integrate yesterday or go to hell with Turkey where you belong. |
Just the kind of racist mindset that along with an arrogant unrealistic belief of Greek Cypriot power and ability and a total misreading of Turkish determination re Cyprus that got you (and us) in the mess in the first place. Now you want to repeat the SAME mistake based on the SAME false notions once more with no regard for the cost in lives and suffering of countless people. Maybe it exactly because you advocate the suppression of the truth of the past in the name of your 'cause' that you have no ability to learn anything from that past and are doomed to repeat those mistakes over and over again. |
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repulsewarrior
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It's simple Get Real!, you propogate the ignorance of people: the war of fear; big deal, a small group can succeed where there is an advantage of numbers. What will make Cypriots any different to the Taliban, or those of the Suddan, or the Middle East?
Better in my mind is the Cypriot whose example leads in a world where there is this discord.
Better to be a leader for Mankind's betterment, before a National interest.
You need to learn a little humility (and that is true for all of us), if you want Cyprus to be an island where all its people live Free as Equals. |
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100%cypriot
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It's so sad...you sincerely believe that you have any chance against Turkey's military. What you explained below will give Turkey even more reason to bomb the hell out of any major towns in the south. And here's some quote from Wikipedia to let you know what you're up against because it seems like you clueless.
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The Turkish Armed Forces is the second largest standing armed force in NATO, after the U.S. Armed Forces, with a combined strength of 1,043,550 uniformed personnel serving in its five branches
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And you think your 100.000 semi professional soldiers will scare Turkey? |
“Clueless” are those people that use the Wikipedia for this kind of information so here’s a decent source for military analysis…
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/active-force.htm
Regards, GR. |
Try the CIA official website gr !!!!!!!!!
over a million soldiers currently on duty and 72 hours to call up 18 million reservists , you are in dream land ,
In cyprus there is an old saying " never fear the barking dog , as he barks out of fear "
This kind of talk does no'one any good , it is not for the good of cyprus anyway , but to the good of all the arms dealers who keep selling weapons to cyprus thinking cyprus can compete with the Turkish War machine , who is armed to the Teethe by the USA , Dream land young man Dream Land , If you and your nationalists could do anything you would do it , but all we here is " we will push the turks into the Sea "
I like to see Persistance , but i think your provocative slogans will only harm you in the end ,
P.S i don't think you have enough ammunition anyway so shut the BIG mouth and sit down at the Table to Talk , because if you had even a minute chance you would have tried Long Long ago.  |
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100%cypriot
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Do you know what lets forget the Talking as Gr says and just fight to the last man.  |
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Mete
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I’m no longer interested in doing deals with Turkish Cypriots because I’m not as patient as TP I’m afraid and I’ve already had enough of your treasonous ways. As far as I’m concerned you either assimilate/integrate yesterday or go to hell with Turkey where you belong. We’ve already wasted enough time with your petty nonsense.
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Now, you think you own Cyprus and you can tell us where we belong or not? It's Greek Cypriots like you that makes me feel thankful for the 40.000 Turkish soldiers on the island. You can kiss goodbye to your properties in the north Cyprus with that attitude. That's all you care anyway, according to you Turkish Cypriots are just a nuisance, gypsies that stole your properties.
I urge you to try to reclaim your land if you think you're strong enough and we'll teach you another lesson that you won't forget for another 50 years.
I'm done with this topic and I'll probably refrain from discussions in the forum for a while. I just don't think that there's a common ground for solutions when there are people thinking that EOKA murderers are heroes or when they think they have the right to tell Turkish Cypriots to go to Turkey. |
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city
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| Get Real! wrote: |
I’m no longer interested in doing deals with Turkish Cypriots because I’m not as patient as TP I’m afraid and I’ve already had enough of your treasonous ways. As far as I’m concerned you either assimilate/integrate yesterday or go to hell with Turkey where you belong. We’ve already wasted enough time with your petty nonsense.
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Now, you think you own Cyprus and you can tell us where we belong or not? It's Greek Cypriots like you that makes me feel thankful for the 40.000 Turkish soldiers on the island. You can kiss goodbye to your properties in the north Cyprus with that attitude. That's all you care anyway, according to you Turkish Cypriots are just a nuisance, gypsies that stole your properties.
I urge you to try to reclaim your land if you think you're strong enough and we'll teach you another lesson that you won't forget for another 50 years.
I'm done with this topic and I'll probably refrain from discussions in the forum for a while. I just don't think that there's a common ground for solutions when there are people thinking that EOKA murderers are heroes or when they think they have the right to tell Turkish Cypriots to go to Turkey. |
GR, now I can see very clearly here whose arguments are giving ammunition to the other side.
With an attitude like yours its no wonder that the CyProb can not be solved. There is no way to find a common ground with your fellow Cypriots if all you can think of is violence and bloodshed. No wonder so many Turkish Cypriots don't trust the Greek Cypriots.....
Mete, please don't stay away from the forum cause if you do so people like GR get one step closer to achieve what they are aiming for! |
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repulsewarrior
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| Mete, please don't stay away from the forum cause if you do so people like GR get one step closer to achieve what they are aiming for! |
onceagain... I'm with city.
GR I believe you are provoking debate, stimulating many to stand up and be counted. This is a good thing. On the otherhand, if you persist, or if you are truly commited to these thoughts then your credibility will surely be affected. |
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