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Get Real!
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| Bananiot wrote: |
Yesterday, Nikos Kleanthous ex Deputy President of DIKO and DIKO's strongman in Larnaca, supported the candidacy of Christofias and was critical of Papadopoulos. Today, Christofias told him off and basically told him to mind his own business!!
Can someone offer a rational explanation? The best I can do is that the karagioz theatre will have much more to offer as we draw towards February. |
Kleanthous is finished and anyone who voted for him a short while back against Karoyan was thrown out of DIKO. It's expected that he will now try to suck up to pretty much anyone to wiggle his way back onto the scene but he doesn't stand a chance. |
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Bananiot
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DM, this one is for you. Andros Kyprianou and Christofias have repeatedly said that AKEL has never cooperated with DISI and it will never will! They could not be more categorical.
What does this mean. It clearly means that if Kasoulides were to move to the second round, AKEL will not vote for him. Furthermore, it means that if Christofias were to be a candidate (what a joke) he will not be interested in the votes of DISI. How in heaven is he then going to be elected, when he excludes a huge part of potential voters?
Are you still suggesting that there is still the slightest of possibilities that Christofias will run for President? Have these meagre leaders blinded everybody in this plantation? |
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Bananiot
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| Once again you have missed the point GR. The point is not Kleanthous himself but the way Christofias reacted to him. |
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Get Real!
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| Once again you have missed the point GR. The point is not Kleanthous himself but the way Christofias reacted to him. |
I haven't missed your point Bananiot; It's called distancing one's self from an undesirable.
Late note: ...and also further proves Christofias' loyalty towards TP. |
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Bananiot
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| Fair comment but are you sure it is a question of loyalty? I think he is trapped and the armlock of Ttrap is deadly. |
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Get Real!
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| Fair comment but are you sure it is a question of loyalty? I think he is trapped and the armlock of Ttrap is deadly. |
Bananiot, you’re such an intelligent man yet you sometimes baffle me by doubting the obvious. TP has become the “Patriarch” of Cyprus just like you get a dominant Patriarch in a group of Elephants. His service against the British, fervent support of Makarios, and dedicated career in politics has earned him that and nobody dares challenge him. The AKEL poll is nothing but a gimmick for the eyes of the public.
I’ve said nothing here you don’t already know.  |
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Bananiot
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| You forgot to mention a slight detail. Until 2003 Papadopoulos, despite the attributes you listed, was nobody. In fact his party got a meagre 1.5% in 1981 for the Parliamentary elections. He was marginal, for many a decade. He became an ethnarch thanks to Christofias who decided (what an excuse!) that he would side with the devil (in the best of Leninist legacies) in order to bring down the government of the hated right. |
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DM
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| Get Real! wrote: |
| Bananiot wrote: |
| Once again you have missed the point GR. The point is not Kleanthous himself but the way Christofias reacted to him. |
I haven't missed your point Bananiot; It's called distancing one's self from an undesirable.
Late note: ...and also further proves Christofias' loyalty towards TP. |
I think we are missing the point here. I explained earlier that the only chance of Christofias winning the election is by capitalising on the bickering between the two extremes and trying to get the 33% that is needed to get him to the second round against Casoulides. I also stated that the campaign itself and the tactics that Akel will choose to run its campain are of paramount importance. Let me explain how I see things:
a. Akel knows that the only scenario that will give Christofias a real chance is the Christofias Vs Casoulides in the second round as they pretty much know that the base of DYSI is much more nationalistic than the leadership itself and it is highly unlikely that they will vote for Christofias in the event of a Christofias Vs TP second round. Thus they stand nothing to lose by saying that Akel will never vote for a DHSY canditate.
b. Base on the above analysis, in Akel they know that they will need to work hard in order to get the party to 33%. A Christofias candidancy is the one most likely to allow this scenario to happen. Akel during the last parliamentary elections recorded 31.1% which was some 3% below what they had in the previous elections. They know pretty well that only with the General Secretary as a candidate they can achieve their 2002 share.
c. Furthermore, they know pretty well that the last 4 years in the TP goverment created a situtaion that they run the risk that a part of their voters (who were seriously against the Anan plan) will not follow the party if they attack TP regarding the plan itself. This explains Christofias tactics of not attacking directly TP on the Cyprus Problem and adopting a more moderate middle ground postition on the issue.
d. Provided that Christofias manages to accumulate the total of Akel's electorate share (33%) then the most likely scenario as explained earlier is that of Christofias Vs Casoulides in the second round. Akel know very well that DHKO voters are really right-center voters and thus they know that if they create a hostile atmosphere between the 2 parties then they are unlikely to get the majority of DHKO voters in the second round - this explains the statement by Christofias about Kleanthous position - he pretty much said that don't expect me to celebrate because of Kleanthous statement but it was obvious that he was happy about it.
e. Andros Kyprianou and Christofias were very wise when stating that Akel will vote for TP in the event that Christofias is left out in the second round. They also called DHKO and EDEK to state the same in the event that TP was left out of the second round. This statement really cancelled out a serious argument for DHKO and EDEK - that a potential run of Christofias as a candidate entails a high risk of the right wing party winning the election. In Akel they know pretty well that TP and EDEK would have tried to capitalise on the fear of the left wing voters for a potential right wing win in the elections. In my opinion a very wise move that cancelled out a serious argument that TP was bound to exploit.
In my opinion Akel's tactical plan is pretty much coming together. That is getting their voters to back Christofias in the first round. Should they manage this they know that they are for sure in the second round against Casoulides. In that events they know that they can only win with DHKOs votes and thus the strategy really is to avoid as much as they can to create a hostile climate between the two parties. |
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Alexios
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| Get Real! wrote: |
| Bananiot wrote: |
| Fair comment but are you sure it is a question of loyalty? I think he is trapped and the armlock of Ttrap is deadly. |
Bananiot, you’re such an intelligent man yet you sometimes baffle me by doubting the obvious. TP has become the “Patriarch” of Cyprus just like you get a dominant Patriarch in a group of Elephants. His service against the British, fervent support of Makarios, and dedicated career in politics has earned him that and nobody dares challenge him. The AKEL poll is nothing but a gimmick for the eyes of the public.
I’ve said nothing here you don’t already know. |
An elephant indeed...He is leading us all in a desert place where we shall all die in peace...Who knows, one day some lucky hunter may discover our ivories and make himself rich!!! 
I am sorry but one has to be in the right mood to watch all this karagioz theatre.. |
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Get Real!
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| Bananiot wrote: |
| You forgot to mention a slight detail. Until 2003 Papadopoulos, despite the attributes you listed, was nobody. In fact his party got a meagre 1.5% in 1981 for the Parliamentary elections. He was marginal, for many a decade. He became an ethnarch thanks to Christofias who decided (what an excuse!) that he would side with the devil (in the best of Leninist legacies) in order to bring down the government of the hated right. |
Not exactly a “nobody” but you’ve got to take into consideration that back then he was being overshadowed by the FORMER Patriarch Klerides!
When TP formed “Enosis Kentrou”; which translates to the “Center Union” party so that our Turkish Cypriot viewers don’t get any funny ideas about what it was, in the early eighties, Christofias was sucking his toe nails on a couch somewhere in Tseri. 
There is no other ACTIVE veteran at the moment that can match his credentials. |
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Bananiot
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One question:
In this case will Papadopoulos take everything on the chin? Will he not raise the stakes and and make sure he capitalises on the "no" vote thus passing into the second round with flying colours? Why should he adopt the low key stance of AKEL that aims at seeing Christofias and Kasoulides into the second round?
My friend, there is no way Christofias will be a candidate. I will give you another reason, this time a historical one. Every time Cyprus was at the cross roads of history, AKEL chickened out and sided with the nationalists. In doing so AKEL dumped the progressive Turkish Cypriots and threw them into the embrace of Denktash and TMT. Enosis is just one example of an issue which alienated the Turkish Cypriots from AKEL and PEO precisely because AKEL sided with the nationalists at the time and went all out for "enosis and only enosis". Kavazoglu was in constant rift with AKEL on this one and he received much disdain from the leadership at the time. He may be a hero now but he is not dangerous to the party any more. |
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Bananiot
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| Do bananiots have ivories, Alexios? Tell me about it, I want to discover this not .. posthumously |
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Alexios
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| Do bananiots have ivories, Alexios? Tell me about it, I want to discover this not .. posthumously |
Yes...most Cypriot men think it hungs between their legs..or is it a trunk it is called...  |
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cypezokyli
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kleanthous is a joke. after the whole mad throwing, he know "realised" that tpap makes mistakes on the cyppro. typical story of cypriot politicians 
one by one the political ethos of these propagandists is reaveled.
question: will markos kyprianou support tpap ? (or will he chose silence...? )
on the elections : there is only one serious option for cyprus - that akel and dysi coopearate, since they agree on the cyppro.
problem is noone cares about the cyppro, and if kasoulides and christofias would manage in the second round, they will be licking the feet of diko for some votes. (something like talat coopearating with serdar , instead of the natural alliance with akinci)
if christofias "betrays" the 3-party alliance , i wouldnt exclude the possibility of diko and dysi cooperating, in a second round scenario. "tatsiliki" might play a more significant role than agreement on the cyppro |
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DM
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One question:
In this case will Papadopoulos take everything on the chin? Will he not raise the stakes and and make sure he capitalises on the "no" vote thus passing into the second round with flying colours? Why should he adopt the low key stance of AKEL that aims at seeing Christofias and Kasoulides into the second round?
My friend, there is no way Christofias will be a candidate. I will give you another reason, this time a historical one. Every time Cyprus was at the cross roads of history, AKEL chickened out and sided with the nationalists. In doing so AKEL dumped the progressive Turkish Cypriots and threw them into the embrace of Denktash and TMT. Enosis is just one example of an issue which alienated the Turkish Cypriots from AKEL and PEO precisely because AKEL sided with the nationalists at the time and went all out for "enosis and only enosis". Kavazoglu was in constant rift with AKEL on this one and he received much disdain from the leadership at the time. He may be a hero now but he is not dangerous to the party any more. |
Bananiot, it is obvious by now that you have some issues with that particular party and I can only assumme where these stem from. Time will show whether what you claim about Akel never going it alone is an axiom or not. We only have to wait until early July. |
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