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Mete
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Kurdish people have been fighting for years and to me it is clear who I should support. Turkey commited crimes on humanity far worst than any PKK and KGK.
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Whatever! You have no idea what PKK did in Turkey. Did you know that PKK killed innocent Kurdish babies and women in 1990s? Did you ever see those pictures on TV? I'm sure you didn't but I did. There's a huge difference between the struggle of Kurds and the actions of PKK and equating the two shows your total ignorance on the Kurdish problem. Enough said. |
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Kifeas
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| Mete wrote: |
| stavrizatz wrote: |
Kurdish people have been fighting for years and to me it is clear who I should support. Turkey commited crimes on humanity far worst than any PKK and KGK.
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Whatever! You have no idea what PKK did in Turkey. Did you know that PKK killed innocent Kurdish babies and women in 1990s? Did you ever see those pictures on TV? I'm sure you didn't but I did. There's a huge difference between the struggle of Kurds and the actions of PKK and equating the two shows your total ignorance on the Kurdish problem. Enough said. |
We have a very good idea of what PKK did in Turkey, in fact as much as we know what "The Troops" did in order to suppress them. Apparently though, you did not explain to us how it comes and those "mountain Turks" are rebelling (sorry, becoming "terrorists") against their "motherland," just like those Armenian "terrorists" did some 80 years ago against their ottoman "motherland." Were they bad pupils in school and did not properly consolidate the "NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DİYEN" lessons?
You bad “mountain Turks!” You never do your “homework!” |
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Kifeas
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And now that I too spoke about those PKK “terrorists,” (so that Erol doesn’t complain that “I try and pervert and distract a thread from it's actual topic,”) I suppose I am allowed to deal with my "favorite" “goose-step” subject, and comment on some of his claims.
He said:
First of all, unlike the majority of you Turkish Cypriots inhere and your fetishist relationship with “The Troops” (the “goose-stepping” ones,) we Greek Cypriots are not as “culturally linked” to the Greek presidential guard (the Evzones!)
Second but not least, if anything comes out from the way the Evzones are marching, this is confidence, security, coolness, easiness and air of freedom, in a unique and original style. The relative disciplined deliberation (non-rushing) in their movements indicates a body and a nation that is confident and secure; one that chooses to take its time to do things in their proper ways, without worrying of what others may be doing or saying!
A highly unlike similar message may come out of “goose-stepping,” (the stepping of fascism and totalitarianism,) as the article I posted also describes.
( http://www.slate.com/id/2077384/ )
Which of the two ways and styles is more embarrassing, I am sure those that know just a bit about these issues are able to determine.
PS: Women know this better! 
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100%cypriot
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| ......, The Troops would ....... |
Am I right to suppose this is one of the ways a typical stupid-proud Turkish nationalist would refer to the Turkish armed forces?
No offence meant “100%cypriot” but, don’t you think you have picked an entirely inappropriate nickname to appear in the forums?
Besides your undoubted pride for the profoundly overly exhibitionistic and impressionistic Turkish armed forces, what else do you have to cite in favor of justifying such an enormous Turkish pride that you seem to be overwhelmed with?
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Besides learning how to “paint” Cypriot mountains with “NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DİYEN” slogans, did you also have to learn the “goose-step” marching, during your service in The Troops? |
OK so its my turn now ! Kifeas has targeted me on this post !
Firstly i am a very proud person
Secondly i have made a point about the said article which stated that their may be pkk terrorists in the north of cyprus . Almost like saying that their are TMT in the south training to attack the people in the north .
Thirdly if you are trying to say that their is a resemblance of the way the turkish military marches and Natzism then you should look a little closer to home and see the Nazi salutes at the rally's for Enossis in the south ,
Anyway i noticed how you made no comment of the official US report on Terrorism and its links with Cyprus , Your nationalistic pride blind's you too much , too much that you are blind to the mistakes of your own people and its political views ,
I am 100% Cypriot |
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Khan
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And so... any responsible government will help PKK in their fight for justice. |
What a hate filled little person you are. You dont give a damn about Kurdish rights, your only concern is that innocent Turks and Kurds suffer since you despise their country so much. |
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Kifeas
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| OK so its my turn now ! |
You are always welcomed, as far as I am concerned!
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Kifeas has targeted me on this post ! |
I only targeted your idiotic way of referring to the Turkish armed forces, which indicates the arrogance by which you approach all things related with them. You did not refer to them as the Turkish troops (i.e. “the Turkish troops would skin them alive”) but instead you said “The Troops” would skin them alive!
You said it in this way, (with capital “T’s” and without mentioning which troops you are referring to,) because you wanted to indicate that for you the only real troops that exist on this planet are the Turkish ones (all the others are “fake” or “pseudo” troops,) and therefore there is no need to specify to which troops you are referring to, but only to refer to them with a capital “T,” and the definite article “the” (with a capital “T”) in front of them!
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Firstly i am a very proud person |
I only wish you were more proud of who you are as an individual, rather than because you belong to the Turkish nation.
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Secondly i have made a point about the said article which stated that their may be pkk terrorists in the north of cyprus . Almost like saying that their are TMT in the south training to attack the people in the north . |
Why? Aren’t there PKK “terrorists” in Turkey itself? After all, aren’t they Turkish nationals themselves (at least most of them?) Aren’t they originating from the “mountain Turks,” as you call them? If they exist in Turkey, and still “The Troops” fail to “skin them alive,” why wouldn’t they exist in the occupied north? As far as I know, many of them have even served their time in “The Troops” -and more will do so in the future; regardless of the fact that they keep failing their "NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DİYEN" exams during their service time “lessons.”
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| Thirdly if you are trying to say that their is a resemblance of the way the turkish military marches and Natzism then …. |
Isn’t it a fact!
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| ..... you should look a little closer to home and see the Nazi salutes at the rally's for Enossis in the south , |
You mean that handful of “Crysi Avgi /Golden dawn” irregular individuals? Well, I prefer to take a closer look at the tens of thousands of regular “Bozkurts” that gather every other day and fill Turkey’s big city squares, saluting with that devil’s (sorry wolf’s) gesture!
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| Anyway i noticed how you made no comment of the official US report on Terrorism and its links with Cyprus , …. |
You are perfectly right on this! You see, I usually choose not to waste my time commenting on garbage US “pressure exercising” intended reports!
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| Your nationalistic pride blind's you too much , too much that you are blind to the mistakes of your own people and its political views , |
Really???
Oh, I didn’t notice it before! Thanks for opening up my eyes! I will take a note of it, and from now on I promise I will try to be a good boy! |
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100%cypriot
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Kifeas thank you for your reply . I started this thread to discuss TERRORIST links with the Republic of Cyprus and you immediately want an argument with me ,
I am Extremely Proud As An Individual for your knowledge , not because of my Turkish Origin's as you so put it ,,,,,,,,,,,,
My point was of the presumption that there were PKK Training camps in the South , and you immediately berate me about the Turkish Army or the Pseudo Army as you put it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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You mean that handful of “Crysi Avgi /Golden dawn” irregular individuals? Well, I prefer to take a closer look at the tens of thousands of regular “Bozkurts” that gather every other day and fill Turkey’s big city squares, saluting with that devil’s (sorry wolf’s) gesture!
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Again you choose to look away from the Wrong's of the minority , who so happends reside in the South of Cyprus , but look at what happens in another country , oops forgot Turkey is the Big Evil in this world so its ok to Trounce their every move ,,,,,,,,,,,,
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I usually choose not to waste my time commenting on garbage US “pressure exercising” intended reports!
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I agree with you here about the role of the Americans , but the post was about their report on Terrorism , and you decided not to counter the Claims of the US Gov so i take it that you have no argument about the report that they made ?
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| from now on I promise I will try to be a good boy! |
No my Dear Friend ( if i am permitted to call you that ? ) Your view is a VIEW and i for one enjoy some of what you write , i don't allways agree with your views , but i thank you and most of the regular posters for educating me on the Cyprus Problem , yes we haven't solved the Problem but at least i see ALL the other views be it Turkish or Greek |
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Mete
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We have a very good idea of what PKK did in Turkey, in fact as much as we know what "The Troops" did in order to suppress them. Apparently though, you did not explain to us how it comes and those "mountain Turks" are rebelling (sorry, becoming "terrorists") against their "motherland," just like those Armenian "terrorists" did some 80 years ago against their ottoman "motherland." Were they bad pupils in school and did not properly consolidate the "NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DİYEN" lessons?
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Kifeas, cut the crap for once. Did I ever say that the Turkish military's Kurdish policy in Turkey is fair? You know I said numerous times in this forum that Kurds should have much better rights in Turkey. However, this doesn't excuse the actions of a terrorist organization: PKK. Yes, they are terrorists because they killed innocent Turkish and Kurdish civilians to achieve their aim.
You can claim that there's state terrorism against Kurds in Turkey and we can talk about that in a different thread but trying to defend PKK with Turkey's attitude towards Kurds is very cheap to say the least. |
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stavrizatz
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| You have no idea what PKK did in Turkey. Did you know that PKK killed innocent Kurdish babies and women in 1990s? Did you ever see those pictures on TV? I'm sure you didn't but I did. There's a huge difference between the struggle of Kurds and the actions of PKK and equating the two shows your total ignorance on the Kurdish problem. |
Look in their campaign they carried out atrocities against both Turkish and Kurdish civilians and their actions have been criticised by human rights groups. Yes these attacks are not justified. I do critisise them for some of their action but I do not critisise them for their scope and their role in fighting for the human rights of the Kurdish people. They need to defend themselves in the context of the massive cultural suppression of Kurdish identity, including the Turkish Language Act Ban.
The cultural suppression by Turkey is clear and yes when you deal with a country much more powerful, violence might be necessary (not on civilians). Turkey also used vilence against them and the number of deaths on both sides are similar, but Turkish people only critisice the ‘terrorists’ and not the action of their own country that caused those groups to rebel.
Palestinians, Kurdish, Chechnians and other such ethnic groups that are strongly suppressed, have my sympathy and I am glad that my government tends to support them rather than the real TERRORISTS - USA, Israel, Turkey ...
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| What a hate filled little person you are. |
You don’t even know me
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| You dont give a damn about Kurdish rights, your only concern is that innocent Turks and Kurds suffer since you despise their country so much. |
You don’t make sense to me, are you here to have a conversation or to offend people? |
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100%cypriot
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Look in their campaign they carried out atrocities against both Turkish and Kurdish civilians and their actions have been criticised by human rights groups. Yes these attacks are not justified. I do critisise them for some of their action but I do not critisise them for their scope and their role in fighting for the human rights of the Kurdish people. They need to defend themselves in the context of the massive cultural suppression of Kurdish identity, including the Turkish Language Act Ban.
The cultural suppression by Turkey is clear and yes when you deal with a country much more powerful, violence might be necessary (not on civilians). Turkey also used vilence against them and the number of deaths on both sides are similar, but Turkish people only critisice the ‘terrorists’ and not the action of their own country that caused those groups to rebel |
Sound's Familiar to the Cyprus Problem
Just chenge the words from Turkey to Greek Cypriot and you can see the Paralell |
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stavrizatz
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| Just chenge the words from Turkey to Greek Cypriot and you can see the Paralell |
I guess you mean change Kurdish to Greek Cypriots. If not you have such a twisted reality!
In Cyprus, Turkey has been critisised by human rights groups. And once on that topic look at the freedom house report on Turkey and Cyprus.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=15
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100%cypriot
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This Topic was about The Terrorists Links to The Republic of Cyprus .
Also you just won't accept the wrong doing of the Greek Cypriots prior to 1974, |
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stavrizatz
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| Also you just won't accept the wrong doing of the Greek Cypriots prior to 1974, |
I did and I always do, but I don't accept that the wrong doings before 74 occured only by Greek Cypriots and that the Turkish peace operation took place to protect you!
Anyway, as for the link that I've provided it talks about the PKK as well.
Tell me, what is the point of this thread ... to critisice the Greek sympathy towards the suppressed Kurdish population in Turkey? |
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100%cypriot
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| The Point of the Thread was to see that Even the rest of the world know how much the Greek Cypriot Gov has been supporting terrorism , But by the Back door |
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stavrizatz
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I am not going to argue that Republic of Cyprus is not supporting the Kurdish terrorists, because there is much evidence that both Greece and Curpus have previously supported them... OK Cyprus is supporting terrorism, and your point?
Terrorists do not just go and kill innocent people just because they feel like it! they fight for justice and they believe that, that type of violence is necessary. I am not saying it is the right way to demand justice but suppressed people are sometimes forced by the circumstances.
Pretty much every country at some stage supported terrorism, why? Because either they benefit or they feel sympathy for them.
As DP sais and I agree with him on this one...
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