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pg
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What do you think of the Hellim and Halloumi discussion?
As far as I can see only registering "Halloumi" would mean the anyone can produce as much Hellim as they want..., but the Turkish Cypriots insist the Republic of Cyprus should register also "Hellim"... odd, although I do agree both should be registered by the legal state of Cyprus..., the bi-communal Republic of Cyprus. |
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Dhavlos
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| I think it is suppost to be registering it as another word for hte same thing, not two differnet foods. Just that the Republic of Cyprus wants it registered in greek, the Turkish Cypriots are saying it should be registered as hellim as well (fair enough) |
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Get Real!
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| pg wrote: |
What do you think of the Hellim and Halloumi discussion?
As far as I can see only registering "Halloumi" would mean the anyone can produce as much Hellim as they want..., but the Turkish Cypriots insist the Republic of Cyprus should register also "Hellim"... odd, although I do agree both should be registered by the legal state of Cyprus..., the bi-communal Republic of Cyprus. |
Every country has a national language determined by what the majority of its population predominantly use and on the island of Cyprus that language happens to be Greek with Turkish and English being the secondary languages.
If Turkish Cypriots want to call it "Hellim" that's fine but when it comes to the official name of a product to be declared/registered for international purposes then it should be done using the official language.
Any notion of dual names is nothing short of partitionist as it refuses to recognize the official language of Cyprus and clearly suggests DUAL identity. |
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Bananiot
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Greek and Turkish are of equal standing in our plantation. We agreed on this since 1959 and we placed our signature on the document.
You can say "Halloumi" sounds better than "Hellim", that would be a sounder argument. |
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Leyla
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GR, you actually expect the T/C community to sit back and accept that Turkish is a secondary language alongside English?
The official languages of the Republic of Cyprus are Greek and Turkish...the hellim vs. halloumi discussions are one thing but to state that Turkish is a secondary language is entirely different (and very worrying to be honest).. |
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moonskin
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| Get Real! wrote: |
Every country has a national language determined by what the majority of its population predominantly use and on the island of Cyprus that language happens to be Greek with Turkish and English being the secondary languages.
If Turkish Cypriots want to call it "Hellim" that's fine but when it comes to the official name of a product to be declared/registered for international purposes then it should be done using the official language.
Any notion of dual names is nothing short of partitionist as it refuses to recognize the official language of Cyprus and clearly suggests DUAL identity. |
My friend, you are really confused! Where is that legal definition which says that Turkish and English are secondary languages of the Republic of Cyprus, where as Greek is the primary language? And what is the actual meaning of a language being the primary or the secondary language of a country?
It is the people like you who really distorts the communication between the two communities continuously with such insignificant, artificial and nonsensical notions as if we don't have enough problems in our hands, as if we halve solved the entire Cyprus problem and we should now begin to discuss what's the primary language and what is the secondary language of a united Cyprus.
Please my friend, try to think twice before you post a comment like the one above! I mean, it is really beyond understandable logic what you wrote...
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Get Real!
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Leyla
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Thank you for the link GR.
According to the facts you have presented above the "official" language of Turkey is Turkish.
Based on the country report for Cyprus (accessed using the link you have most kindly supplied) the languages spoken in Cyprus are listed as: Greek, Turkish and English (none of which have the words "official" assigned to them).
The same applies for the country profile for Greece (where Greek is stated as the "official" language). |
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Get Real!
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| Leyla wrote: |
Thank you for the link GR.
According to the facts you have presented above the "official" language of Turkey is Turkish.
Based on the country report for Cyprus (accessed using the link you have most kindly supplied) the languages spoken in Cyprus are listed as: Greek, Turkish and English (none of which have the words "official" assigned to them).
The same applies for the country profile for Greece (where Greek is stated as the "official" language). |
But that is based on 1960 agreements as Bananiot correctly reminded. Do you recognise 1960's agreements Leyla?
...because some people seem to have forgotten...
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/worldguide/destinations/europe/cyprus?a=facts
“Languages
Greek (official)
Greek spoken in Cyprus differs from mainland Greek in its pronunciation.
Turkish (other)
English (other)”
http://www.justlanded.com/english/cyprus/tools/just_landed_guide/language
“Languages spoken in Cyprus
In the Republic of Cyprus, the official language is Greek and Cypriots write in Standard Modern Greek, which they’re taught at school.”
...and yet some others have even come up with a totally different idea...
http://www.northernlandcyprus.com/FAQ11.htm
“Q. What is the official language in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus?
The official language is Turkish; however English is a business language and widely spoken”
I don't know about you Leyla but I'm a very confused man 
Also, you did not answer my previous question about what makes Turkish Cypriots so special over Kurds...
Thanks... |
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erolz
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| Get Real! wrote: |
| Every country has a national language determined by what the majority of its population predominantly use and on the island of Cyprus that language happens to be Greek with Turkish and English being the secondary languages. |
In fact there are many countries that have more than one official language. Belgium has 3. Ireland has a national 'first official language' that most Irish nationals do not even speak.
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| Any notion of dual names is nothing short of partitionist as it refuses to recognize the official language of Cyprus and clearly suggests DUAL identity. |
So it is not possible in your mind for us to be united as Cypriots whilst still maintaining our unique ethnic identities? That the only way to unification is through the destruction of the Turkish Cypriot communities identity? And you wonder why I have concerns about living in a unified Cyprus when you express such views about the necessity for the destruction of cultural diversity in a united Cyprus?
GR for you Cyprus is Greek and can only be Greek. You refuse to accept that Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot can share the island united as Cypriots and diverse as Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot and you will not apparently be content until Turkish Cypriot quietly acquiesce to your desire to destroy their cultural heritage in their own homeland to secure the total dominance of hellenism within our shared homeland. You are the Cyprus problem as far as I am concerned. |
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Get Real!
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| You are the Cyprus problem as far as I am concerned. |
 Do I have your permision to use that as my "punchline"? You know like your... "when i give food to the poor..." ?? please? |
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Kifeas
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| moonskin wrote: |
| Get Real! wrote: |
Every country has a national language determined by what the majority of its population predominantly use and on the island of Cyprus that language happens to be Greek with Turkish and English being the secondary languages.
If Turkish Cypriots want to call it "Hellim" that's fine but when it comes to the official name of a product to be declared/registered for international purposes then it should be done using the official language.
Any notion of dual names is nothing short of partitionist as it refuses to recognize the official language of Cyprus and clearly suggests DUAL identity. |
My friend, you are really confused! Where is that legal definition which says that Turkish and English are secondary languages of the Republic of Cyprus, where as Greek is the primary language? And what is the actual meaning of a language being the primary or the secondary language of a country?
It is the people like you who really distorts the communication between the two communities continuously with such insignificant, artificial and nonsensical notions as if we don't have enough problems in our hands, as if we halve solved the entire Cyprus problem and we should now begin to discuss what's the primary language and what is the secondary language of a united Cyprus.
Please my friend, try to think twice before you post a comment like the one above! I mean, it is really beyond understandable logic what you wrote... |
I perfectly agree with Moonskin in all the above!
As if we do not have enough hassle trying to expose and rectify the twisted logic and warped theories of some Turkish nationalists in the forums, and all we needed was to start doing it with a Greek Cypriot and his equally warped theories and nonsensical approaches.
Get Real, do you know the meaning of the saying "vraki dhen eixe i Mariori, o ferentzes tis eleipe?" That is basically what you are doing! You are acting like Mariori!
I wonder what purpose you are trying to serve by being in a bi-communal forum, with such ideas that hardly a mere 1-2% of Greek Cypriots subscribe to. Do you honestly and seriously believe that there is a chance in a million to have a solution in Cyprus on the basis of your ideas and theories, such as the above? |
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Leyla
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I looked at a few more websites and the information provided differs as you have said. For example, the BBC provides the following data:
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| Of the estimated 736,000 population of the island, around 13% speak the official language Turkish, and 84% speak the official language Greek. |
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/european_languages/countries/cyprus.shtml
I am not Kurdish GR, so please don't ask me to compare myself with anyone else. I am Cypriot, damn proud of it in fact and so are you. I respect that and I expect nothing less from you. |
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Dhavlos
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I think what get real! is getting at, is the fact that in pure numbers, turkish not a widely used language in comparison to greek. However, i think it is true that turkish is 'equal' to greek in official status....
eitehr way, registering it as hellim and halloumi would be another minor, but symbolic way to do reapproachment with the Turkish Cypriot community. shows how we do consider them as part of cyprus, not just 'a problem'. if that makes sense, |
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Kifeas
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| Dhavlos wrote: |
However, i think it is true that turkish is 'equal' to greek in official status....
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You think it is true? |
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