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100%cypriot
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| Still tates nice grilled , whatever name you use |
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Get Real!
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Kifeas...
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| Do you think Greek language and culture in Cyprus is so weak and insecure, that will be threatened by the acceptance of Turkish as an additional official language? Do you think that Greek language and culture in general, a culture and a language that survived through tens of centuries and has become the yeast and the dough with which western civilisation and languages were fermented and rose, is so weak and fragile that needs laws to exclude and disallow other languages and identities from existing next to it, so that it won't be threatened? Tell us what's in your head, as I feel and hope you are not such a paranoid individual! |
The Cyprus problem is not about a “problem” but about who gets to CONTROL the island and nothing else. The sum of all the bickering that goes on almost daily is to determine who controls what and to what extend.
If it were possible the Turkish Cypriot regime would have full control of the island with or without Greek Cypriots (preferably without) and establish an independent country and probably even gradually break away from Turkey altogether but at the moment they need Turkey of course; I’d worry about the Turkish Cypriots if they were to start exercising policies that defy human nature!
We need to be REALISTIC about the true motives of all those who claim “Cypriotness” if we are to make any sense out of all this. Many everyday Cypriot citizens from all ethnic backgrounds are well-meaning and probably have good intentions of living together, sharing one or the other, etc, but at the end of the day they will have very little or no say in it and it’s the power-hungry politicians that will constantly push for ever-increasing power over the island in the frenzy of competition for control.
We have inherited this island and all its baggage from our forefathers and are expected to pass it on to the next generations not only intact but in an even greater aggrandizement because such is the nature of the human being. The struggle against the Ottoman/Turkic people actually began in 1571 and may not cease for a few more centuries even so let us not forget that you and I are simply passing through a fraction of time on this difficult journey towards the ultimate destiny of the indigenous Cypriot.
Regards, GR. |
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Alexios
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| Darwin would have been very proud of you GR.... |
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Mete
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| Get Real! wrote: |
our reply to that should be "But you have abandoned and broken your 1960 agreements so why do you now seek to benefit from it?
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That's irrelevant! If your side claims to be the Republic of Cyprus then it has to respect the constitution which states that Turkish is an official language regardless what Turkish Cypriots did in the past or do today. Maybe this doesn't fair to you but you can't have alll the advantages of a recognized state without respecting its own laws!
I can't believe that we're arguing about something so obvious. |
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Get Real!
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| Mete wrote: |
| Get Real! wrote: |
our reply to that should be "But you have abandoned and broken your 1960 agreements so why do you now seek to benefit from it?
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That's irrelevant! If your side claims to be the Republic of Cyprus then it has to respect the constitution which states that Turkish is an official language regardless what Turkish Cypriots did in the past or do today. Maybe this doesn't fair to you but you can't have alll the advantages of a recognized state without respecting its own laws!
I can't believe that we're arguing about something so obvious. |
But you forgot to quote the rest of that sentence which does answer your post...
"Surely you don't expect to claim the benefits of the 1960 agreements and wash your hands clean from all the responsibilities?"
So are you ready to confront your 1960's responsibilities Mete because I'm sure the Republic of Cyprus will be happy to forward the word "Hellim" to the EU in exchange for this...  |
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Mete
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So are you ready to confront your 1960's responsibilities Mete because I'm sure the Republic of Cyprus will be happy to forward the word "Hellim" to the EU in exchange for this..
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No! Because I'm (by I, I mean Turkish Cypriots in general) not the one claiming that what's in the south is the Republic of Cyprus, it's you (by you, I mean Greek Cypriots in general) and your government. So you have a responsibility to stick with your own constitution regardless what Turkish Cypriots do or don't do because you're the one running away with the title of Republic of Cyprus in the past 45+ years.
You feel like you shouldn't respect the constitution because Turkish Cypriots did not respect them either? Fine. Then declare to the whole world that what's in the south the Hellenic Republic of Cyprus. It's that simple.
How else can I explain this to you? |
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Get Real!
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Mete...
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No! Because I'm (by I, I mean Turkish Cypriots in general) not the one claiming that what's in the south is the Republic of Cyprus, it's you (by you, I mean Greek Cypriots in general) and your government. So you have a responsibility to stick with your own constitution regardless what Turkish Cypriots do or don't do because you're the one running away with the title of Republic of Cyprus in the past 45+ years.
You feel like you shouldn't respect the constitution because Turkish Cypriots did not respect them either? Fine. Then declare to the whole world that what's in the south the Hellenic Republic of Cyprus. It's that simple.
How else can I explain this to you? |
If I understand you well, I’ll go one step further and assume that you are under the impression that if the Republic of Cyprus were to officially admit that they’re not in control of the North and thus would not represent people living there (something already obvious to everyone anyway), the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” would automatically receive recognition or something along those lines?
You’d better read some very important UN resolutions Mete…
RESOLUTION 3212 (XXIX)
http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/UNdocs/gad3212.html
Repeated again a year later…
RESOLUTION 3395 (XXX)
http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/UNdocs/gad3395.html
…and repeated again for many years thereafter which I won't quote. |
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100%cypriot
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| with attitudes like this the complete partition is simply a fore gone conclusion and if and when it happens it will be a very sad day in the history of cyprus , to add to all the other's |
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Cyprus rules!
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Still tates nice grilled , whatever name you use |
Amen to that!  |
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Mete
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If I understand you well, I’ll go one step further and assume that you are under the impression that if the Republic of Cyprus were to officially admit that they’re not in control of the North and thus would not represent people living there (something already obvious to everyone anyway), the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus” would automatically receive recognition or something along those lines?
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You don't understand me at all. Where did I ever remotely imply that I want recognition of T R N C? What I want is very simple. The administration in the south has 2 honest choices:
Option 1: If the administration in the south claims to be the Republic of Cyprus then it has to act like it. It has to respect its own laws and more importantly it has to respect Turkish Cypriot rights in that republic.
Option 2: If the administration in the south is not ready to do so, it should admit it and call itself something else and make it clear to everyone that it's not really Republic of Cyprus as it stands today and it should stop fooling everyone, including Turkish Cypriots.
Will option 2 lead to recognition of T R N C? Maybe so, but this is a choice for your administration. But instead of these two honest options, your administration is opting for the dishonest choice of acting like they're the Republic of Cyprus to the whole world but in inside, trying to keep Turkish Cypriots as far from Republic of Cyprus as possible.
And you know what's the worst? There are people like you who think it's OK to not respect the laws of what you claim to exist in its original form.
What do I want? I would be very happy to see Option 1 implemented because I believe that it can lead to a solution. |
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Bananiot
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I liked the passive way you took all the verbal abuse of Kifeas on the chin, Get Real. May be you are an apologiser too, my friend.
For my contribution on the topic:
There is anly one dangerous minority: the racists! |
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Get Real!
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| Bananiot wrote: |
| I liked the passive way you took all the verbal abuse of Kifeas on the chin, Get Real. May be you are an apologiser too, my friend. |
But since when does "apologizer" mean…"One that doesn't resort to foul language"?
I do use sarcasm and other "civilized" tactics but not foul language and if "Chapfallen" couldn't tempt me to engage in that nobody can!
As for Kifeas he chose to abandon the debate and I think he made a very wise choice wouldn't you say? |
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Mete
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As for Kifeas he chose to abandon the debate and I think he made a very wise choice wouldn't you say?
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Indeed, there's nothing much to discuss really. I was only stating what should be obvious to anyone. |
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Bananiot
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| So you are not an apologiser, Get Real, but plain apologetic. The man was all over you and all you could muster was sob sob. |
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depurple
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This problem would not exist IF we where all Called Cypriots:
So if you are Cypriot you SHOULD claim Hallomi:
BUT if you are Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot well then suffer! You divided the country so why not dived Hallomi!
When I was in Lapithos 1972 my grandfather bought all his Halloumi from a Turkish Cypriot lady in Bassilia:
It was the best:
In Australia I buy my Hallomi from the same woman niece living in Australia after 1974: It is still the best:
To me the Turkish Cypriot make the best Halloumi without a doubt and also the best Baklava and many other foods:
As for the Greeks and Turkey they are medico:
The best thing about Cypriot are that we have ALL the Greek and Turkish cuisine and then we have our own added extras like Halloumi, Kolokassi Tashinopittes, Koupes and many other dishes!
That is probably why we are so FAT!
cheers
Hallomi is great grated and put on to Macaroni! |
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