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depurple
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Cyprus and France sign defence cooperation agreement
STRASBOURG (ANA-MPA/O.Tsipira/CNA)
Cyprus and France signed on Wednesday an agreement for Defense Cooperation between the two countries.
The agreement was signed at the French Ministry of Foreign Affairs by Cypriot Minister of Foreign Affairs George Lillikas and French Minister of Defence Michele Alliot-Marie and is part of a common statement to strengthen bilateral relations within the framework of a structured dialogue that was announced during Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos' visit to France in November 2005.
In statements after the signing ceremony, Alliot-Marie said that "it is an agreement which will allow relations to strengthen between the two ministries."
''It provides for greater exchange in training issues, on the level of joint maneuvers, when analysing the geostrategic situation. It is a continuation of the existing relations. We are faced with common dangers, such as terrorism, which concerns all European countries and which we might handle," the French minister remarked.
Cyprus' geographical position was an element in signing the agreement, Alliot-Marie said that one of the elements was the fact that the Republic of Cyprus welcomed French soldiers during the Lebanon crisis.
This speeded up the signing of the agreement. It is an ordinary agreement which we have with many other countries but did not have with Cyprus," she added.
She said that the agreement provides for training and exchanges which aim at tackling the dangers which might arise.
Lillikas expressed his satisfaction, noting it is a natural development of everything that was agreed during President Papadopoulos' visit and his meeting with President Jacques Chirac to develop relations between the two countries on the basis of a structured dialogue.
"France and Cyprus have always had excellent political relations, they have and share a common vision on international issues and now as EU partners have shown that with their approach they can contribute to peace in the Middle East," the Cypriot minister said, according to an official press release.
DP is asking when will Cyprus and Turkey sign one?
That is the real question!
cheers
PS I forgot Turkey is NOT part of the EU!
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Dhavlos
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| well, with the maronites beng taken into the national guard, i suppose an officail agreement had to be made. The french are the protectors of the maronites, in cyprus and lebanon. |
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depurple
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The EU will put pressure on Turkey to see if truly want to be part of the EU or just a smokescreen!
This is nothing!
Turkey will get more and more pressure from all in the EU and it will either Break or give in!
At the moment they play the big shot BUT so did many other countries which are now no existence or divided into smaller easier to control babies!
France is not stupid: They know Turkey and will not let them get into the EU on a bluff and on future promises that Turkey usually craps on to people!
BUT this threatening:
Cyprus over the oil!
Kurds over Kilkurk!
The US over the Armenian vote!
And other heavy handed bull will not work with some in the EU!
Turkey has to PROVE it is EU material NOT the other way around so the quicker Turkey gets it into its thick head that the cold war and the Ottoman Empire is dead the sooner we can all sit in Ankara having a beer!
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pg
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| Does anyone think the French oil company Total will be bidding this summer? |
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^^^
not sure about the situation, but probably.
sure protecting cyprus is not their main objective |
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Bananiot
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Dhavlos, I can assure you that not a single Maronite will do service in the national guard. Mark my words.
By the way, what defence cooperation agreement are you talking about? Is buing arms from anyone now called a defence cooperation agreement now? And, have the Chinese sent the cannons we bought from them yet? |
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I love to see the way Tpap plays the big politican and leader in the rest of the world , as if this agreement means anything at all , Didn't Greece have a similar agreement all those years ago and when push came to shove they abandoned the Greek Cypriots when Turkey sent its forces to Cyprus in 1974 , this is all about the Oil and the wealth that it bring's .
Dep what will you have to rant about when the EU decides to get rid of the Application for Turkey to join or when Turkey decides to stop wasting its time with the rest of Europe .
Tpap is a very tiny fish swimming in a great big ocean inside politics so his insignificance will eventually lead to the Eu making his decisions for him |
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Get Real!
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100%cypriot...
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| Tpap is a very tiny fish swimming in a great big ocean inside politics so his insignificance will eventually lead to the Eu making his decisions for him |
The lifestyle of 70m Turks/Kurds is hanging by the thread of the Cypriot veto. Cyprus is one of the authorities currently evaluating every aspect of Turkey and her people and will also be a decision maker that will shape the future of Turkey; more so than Attaturk himself!
Furthermore, the 2,000 odd Cypriot-registered ships not accessing Turkish ports also means that those same 70m people get to pay more and have greater delays for their goods to arrive in Turkey.
The Republic of Cyprus also happens to be the authority you have to deal with if the Turkish Cypriot community can ever sell one iota of goods to the rest of the World.
Such a tiny fish... yet so damned influential! |
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100%cypriot
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100%cypriot...
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| Tpap is a very tiny fish swimming in a great big ocean inside politics so his insignificance will eventually lead to the Eu making his decisions for him |
The lifestyle of 70m Turks/Kurds is hanging by the thread of the Cypriot veto. Cyprus is one of the authorities currently evaluating every aspect of Turkey and her people and will also be a decision maker that will shape the future of Turkey; more so than Attaturk himself!
Furthermore, the 2,000 odd Cypriot-registered ships not accessing Turkish ports also means that those same 70m people get to pay more and have greater delays for their goods to arrive in Turkey.
The Republic of Cyprus also happens to be the authority you have to deal with if the Turkish Cypriot community can ever sell one iota of goods to the rest of the World.
Such a tiny fish... yet so damned influential! |
En Na Thoumen ( we will see )  |
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| Get Real! wrote: |
The lifestyle of 70m Turks/Kurds is hanging by the thread of the Cypriot veto. Cyprus is one of the authorities currently evaluating every aspect of Turkey and her people and will also be a decision maker that will shape the future of Turkey; more so than Attaturk himself! |
Isn't democracy great. No matter if a majority of EU member states support something - be it direct trade between EU and Northern Cyprus, or the closing of an EU accession chapter with Turkey, or anything else - if the Republic of Cyprus representing 0.175% of EU's population do not want it then it can not happen. Democracy in action or perhaps more accurately described as hypocrisy in action 
Yes the Republic of Cyprus can block, yes they can threaten veto, yes they can exercise veto - but to think they can do so without cost or consequence is to leave in a fantasy world with regard to the Republic of Cyprus's power and influence. |
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| another step toward NATO membership. |
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pg
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| erolz wrote: |
Yes the Republic of Cyprus can block, yes they can threaten veto, yes they can exercise veto - but to think they can do so without cost or consequence is to leave in a fantasy world with regard to the Republic of Cyprus's power and influence. |
Are you suggesting that the majority does not need to respect veto rights given to a minority party? |
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erolz
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| erolz wrote: |
Yes the Republic of Cyprus can block, yes they can threaten veto, yes they can exercise veto - but to think they can do so without cost or consequence is to leave in a fantasy world with regard to the Republic of Cyprus's power and influence. |
Are you suggesting that the majority does not need to respect veto rights given to a minority party? |
Quite the reverse. I believe there are valid and good and necessary reasons why members of the EU have such veto on certain issues, regardless of the sizes of their populations to that of the EU as a whole and that such is perfectly compatible with a democratic EU. I just find it strange and hypocritical that people that swear absolutely that any such for the Turkish Cypriot community within a united Cyprus is invalid bad and unnecessary and not compatible at all with democracy can then trumpet and crow so loudly about the Republic of Cyprus's ability as not even .2% of the EU population to veto decisions regardless of how many of the members states or the 450 million EU citizens might want them. All apparently with no shame. Call me old fashioned but that to me is hypocritical in the extreme. If these people were to apply the same 'principles' of democracy in all situations I might disagree with their views but would respect them. When they insist on one set of 'principles' when it is to their ethnic groups benefit and a different set when it is not, I do not respect their views and I do not believe their expressed commitment to democratic principles. It just increases my suspicion that what actually matters to them is not 'democracy' but ensuring the ability and right of their community to impose its will on mine with no let or hinderance should it wish to do so. |
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| erolz wrote: |
| Get Real! wrote: |
The lifestyle of 70m Turks/Kurds is hanging by the thread of the Cypriot veto. Cyprus is one of the authorities currently evaluating every aspect of Turkey and her people and will also be a decision maker that will shape the future of Turkey; more so than Attaturk himself! |
Isn't democracy great. No matter if a majority of EU member states support something - be it direct trade between EU and Northern Cyprus, or the closing of an EU accession chapter with Turkey, or anything else - if the Republic of Cyprus representing 0.175% of EU's population do not want it then it can not happen. Democracy in action or perhaps more accurately described as hypocrisy in action
Yes the Republic of Cyprus can block, yes they can threaten veto, yes they can exercise veto - but to think they can do so without cost or consequence is to leave in a fantasy world with regard to the Republic of Cyprus's power and influence. |
Erol, forget “Get Real!” I am only curious to know what kind of reply you have gotten to the letter you have sent to the president of Turkey and in which you have tried to sell your above theories regarding the separate veto rights the Kurdish community should have in the running of the government of the Republic of Turkey. What did Mr. Sezer say to you in his reply letter?
PS: If I am not mistaken you have also sent a similar letter to the Queen of England, in which you have asked a similar question regarding the separate veto rights the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish should have in the decisions made by the British government. Did you get a reply from her majesty, or not yet? What did her majesty say to you? |
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erolz
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| Erol, forget “Get Real!” |
Of course forget (or deny where appropritate) anything you can not deal with - like the inconsistency in crowing about Republic of Cyprus's 0.2% of EU population ability to veto whilst maintaining any political equality between Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot communities in a united Cyprus is unfair , undemocratic and unnecessary unjust and unacceptable - to give just one example. I would expect nothing else from you to be frank.
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I am only curious to know what kind of reply you have gotten to the letter you have sent to the president of Turkey and in which you have tried to sell your above theories regarding the separate veto rights the Kurdish community should have in the running of the government of the Republic of Turkey. What did Mr. Sezer say to you in his reply letter? |
For what it is worth I support greater autonomy for Kurds in Turkey as far as Kurds in Turkey want that, as I have expressed before here. However I am neither Turkish or Kurdish. I am Cypriot and I am directly and intimately concerned with Cyprus and the future of Cyprus. One can of course block any argument of attempt at progress in Cyprus by countering any view one can not deal with itself with 'but it worse here'. That is a standard strategy for those that wish to avoid dealing with the issues that CYPRIOTS need to deal with. The situation in other parts of the world does nothing to weaken the validity of my 'critique' of those that crow about the Republic of Cyprus's veto rights in the EU whilst decrying any such rights for the Turkish Cypriot community within a united Cyprus. Of course you do not wish to deal with the issue so you try to distract from it. Your choice but all you do is reaffirm my suspicion that you care nothing for actually finding a solution to our Cypriot problems and only about try to 'win' at any cost, be it in a tiny argument or a comprehensive settlement. The more you do this the more convinced I am that some degree of political equality is necessary and needed in a untied Cyprus.
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PS: If I am not mistaken you have also sent a similar letter to the Queen of England, in which you have asked a similar question regarding the separate veto rights the Scots, the Welsh and the Irish should have in the decisions made by the British government. Did you get a reply from her majesty, or not yet? What did her majesty say to you? |
More distraction - clearly the 'accusation' of hypocrisy has hit home that you feel such a need to try and distract from it with your sarcasm and irrelevancies. Pretty much like being reminded of TP's public recorded lies lead you to make the post about 'Turkish Cypriot lies' that are totally undermined by the UN report I quoted in response. All you convince me of Kifea's with this approach of distraction is that you actually care nothing about my concerns or points of view or if they are valid or not. I conclude that all you care about is trying to create impressions - so if I raise a point that you can not deal with directly you try and distract.
As far as the situation in the UK goes I do not believe such veto rights for Scots and Welsh and Irish within the UK are necessary. If however a mere 40 odd years ago the English had sought to impose a purely English desire on scots against their will and had used violence and militia thugs to try and crush any Scottish resistance to this imposition then I certainly would support the right of Scots to block such attempts.
So having answered your distractions and irrelevancies that are nothing to do with Cyprus in any case perhaps you can deal with the issue here and once again explain to me how the principles of democracy that you claim to hold so dear can give Greek Cypriot , representing < 0.2% of EU population a right to veto decisions that affect the whole EU and regardless of the will of the other 99.8% of EU citizens, yet anything similar within a united Cyprus between Turkish Cypriot at 18% of the population is by definition a violation of democratic principles? |
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