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Xenos 2Fan
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AQMessiah
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Xenos you can't be serious? For God's sake, they had clips of Hrant Dink supporting Turkey. Last time I checked he was murdered for believing and voicing his beliefs about the Armenian Genocide. What really baffles me is that ANY evidence that supports Armenia is considered fraudulent.
"Food was distrubuted, shelter was provided and field hospitals which were established by the soldiers served on the way. Measures were taken for security. The Ottoman state was allocating allowances for those moving despite the dier financial situation of the state."
I'm sure that is exactly how the Ottoman Empire took care of its Armenian subjects. Xenos, do you really think that if the Ottoman empire was at war it would take such good care of a people that it thought was the enemy?
If you want to play these games with who can show the most propoganda here are the clips that I will show, they are not of Armenians. But instead, those that believe the Genocide never existed. Look at what these people have been reduced to. In the middle of Times Square in NY screaming that it was civil war...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcmGjOp0zYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60JSyioQQuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z8E7i9XkPw (this one was disgusting: "they're smaller than the state of Connecticut and they call themselves a country. They're not even a villayet. It's shocking that these few people can bring about such change.")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iqqjkc6pkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXD7EvgGJk
The US is now debating the recognition of the Armenian Gencode and apparently has good momentum to pass though. You can keep denying it Xenos or accept it and move on already. |
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AQMessiah
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| And yes, I did watch your videos. All but the second one, it's been taken off due to being "offensive." |
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Khan
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| To be honest, i am just sick of the whole politicisation of the issue. What business do these foreign legislative bodies have in dictating the historical burden of another country? It is because of the approach taken by the Armenian diaspora, convincing far away countries like Argentina to recognise a genocide, that they will never receive one iota of apology from Turkey, genocide or not. |
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Xenos 2Fan
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Xenos you can't be serious? For God's sake, they had clips of Hrant Dink supporting Turkey. Last time I checked he was murdered for believing and voicing his beliefs about the Armenian Genocide. What really baffles me is that ANY evidence that supports Armenia is considered fraudulent.
"Food was distrubuted, shelter was provided and field hospitals which were established by the soldiers served on the way. Measures were taken for security. The Ottoman state was allocating allowances for those moving despite the dier financial situation of the state."
I'm sure that is exactly how the Ottoman Empire took care of its Armenian subjects. Xenos, do you really think that if the Ottoman empire was at war it would take such good care of a people that it thought was the enemy?
If you want to play these games with who can show the most propoganda here are the clips that I will show, they are not of Armenians. But instead, those that believe the Genocide never existed. Look at what these people have been reduced to. In the middle of Times Square in NY screaming that it was civil war...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcmGjOp0zYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60JSyioQQuE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z8E7i9XkPw (this one was disgusting: "they're smaller than the state of Connecticut and they call themselves a country. They're not even a villayet. It's shocking that these few people can bring about such change.")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Iqqjkc6pkw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxXD7EvgGJk
The US is now debating the recognition of the Armenian Gencode and apparently has good momentum to pass though. You can keep denying it Xenos or accept it and move on already. |
yawwwwwn..... |
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AQMessiah
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yawwwwwn..... |
Xenos, you're a joke when it comes to debating about the topic. You have NEVER given me a decent answer; all you say is shit like the above. So if you don't like hearing the other's side, maybe you shouldn't be bringing up such discussions. On top of everything, you'll be living in a country that may recognize the genocide. I'll laugh my silly ass off when you and the few like you are the only ones still believing in your own propaganda.
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Xenos 2Fan
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What's to debate with you? It's a waste of time because you have already made up your mind. You believe that everything that is pro-turkish is simple propaganda. No source is ever good enough or acceptable to and your likes. Why should I bother with you? Do you think the elders in those videos are paid agents by the "Deep State"? The jokes are people like you who continue to stick their heads into the sand or the box. Take your pick.
You are correct in saying that the "genocide" may be recognized in the US by the democrats who are the lap-dogs of the armenian diaspora. If you notice most of them are from California where the armenians are quite numerous. The democrats are the political prostitutes of the armenians. Same thing is happening in France. |
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cypezokyli
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| well it seems that the US senate will be approving the bill .... |
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Khan
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| I think the President will veto such a bill. |
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thebrix
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| Khan wrote: |
| I think the President will veto such a bill. |
Very unlikely because of the remarkable statistics ... (and the 1 was widely condemned!) |
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Khan
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| We'll see brix. Bill Clinton intervened in 2000 to prevent such a vote taking place, citing national interests. I can only imagine those interests are ten fold in today's climate. From what I read they are already committed to defeating any resolution, whether they will do so once a vote has been made is another matter. Either way I say again, what bloody business do these people have legislating what happened between Turks and Armenians? |
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cypezokyli
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i dont think that they legislate as such.
they decide to recognise.
they are not creating a "law".
it is such an interesting story, bc actually the only effects that such a bill might have are in essense emotional...both for turks and armenians. in practise there is no dangible benefit |
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Khan
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| Exactly. Armenians believe they are going to corner Turkey into recognising a genocide, this is the approach they have taken. It is now a political game, whose lobby can convince politicians to write history in their favour. It is really quite sickening to be honest. Its as if the murder of hundreds of thousands of people during world war I has been reduced to a game over words and declarations. |
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AQMessiah
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| Xenos 2Fan wrote: |
Do you think the elders in those videos are paid agents by the "Deep State"? The jokes are people like you who continue to stick their heads into the sand or the box. Take your pick.
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For every elder person you can find that denies the genocide I can show you another 3 who were there, experienced it and believe it. Stop looking at it from what you already know, if you could only see it from what is the more plausible answer to this never ending question we would not be having this conversation.
Read the following. They are the sons, daughters, grandkids of those that were massacred during the genocide. And don't just skip over it and say that it is the same Armenian propoganda that you've always seen. I spent a good hour watching the documentary that you provided, two minutes of your time isn't going to kill you.
Amanda Milholland
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| My mom's grandmother (who passed away before I was born) was the only person in her family who survived the genocide. She and some other girls managed to find a hiding spot near a sewage area and stayed there until it was finally clear for them to escape. Almost immediately after, she travelled to the United States. Her husband was also a survivor of the genocide, but I don't know his story. |
Tulay Gunes
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| My tiny little village in Eastern Turkey (where I'm originally from) used to be a mixed Armenian/Kurdish village. Apparently everyone got on really well with each other until the Turks drove all the Armenians out. A relative of mine (who's now in her 60s), well, her mother remembers the army or whoever it was, do unspeakable things to a young woman/girl. |
Alex Pogos
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My greatgrandfather survived by hiding in his closet (he was 8 ) and watched his pregnant mother get raped, her unborn child torn from her whomb and strangled with her umbellical cord, and decapitated along with the rest of his family. This story (and unfortunately in all its detail) was passed down to me by his son (my grandfather). What really amazes me is how I've never met him, but I can't help but feel how he is so much apart of me. |
Ani Nersessian
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My grandfather's whole family was killed (both parents, 7 brothers and sisters) so in turn he had 7 children to make up for his dead siblings. His story is long, but my sister (ctv journalist) put it up on ctv.com for the 90th anniversary of the genocide.. (type in armenian genocide on the web site and it should pop up.) |
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My great grandmother survived the genocide. She lived in a Turkish village and was fortunate enough to find a kind Turkish family to stay with until she could come to America. That will be one of the greatest lessons I have learned from her, to not judge the whole Turkish race because of the genocide. My grandmother was a very kind and forgiving human being and I think of her strengh everyday. |
Varoujan Panosyan
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My entire family survived the 1894 Armenian killings, but weren't so lucky in the 1915 Genocide. My grandfathers were living in Turkey at the time in Van and Erzerum, while my grandmothers families fled to Egypt. Both my grandfathers families were torn apart from each other. My great grandfathers and their older sons were all slaughtered, my grandfathers were children and spared. Their mothers and sisters raped, tortured and forced to flee to Syria. Both my grandfathers were forced into orphanages in Greece and Romania. |
Ryan Najimian
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My Grandfather's mother survived a horrible attack on her school house where she was a teacher. They beheaded all her students in front of her and then slit her neck. Somehow she managed to survive and flee with her sister to France then eventually making her way to the U.S. From what I was told her whole family was killed besides her sister. It's amazing how genocide is still going on in these modern times especially in Africa. Most of the world still doesn't do enough to prevent it. |
Can you honestly say that you believe all these stories to be lies? That an entire people decided to play this sick game and pretend that a genocide happened? I'm not singling anyone out, but the evidence is there. Call me what you'd like xenos but there is no way that I am the one that has stuck my head in the sand. I have recognized it...it is fact. Stop reading what only your government writes and you'll understand what really happened. |
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depurple
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What do most Germans say about the Holocaust?
Don't most Germans say it was a lie?
What did Bush say about the WMD in Iraq?
Was that a lie!
The Turkish invasion of Cyprus was a peace mission only!
Don't tell me that was a lie!
The killings of 1000s of innocent people in Deli/East Timor was also a lie! IF you ask Indonesia!
The stolen generation of Aborigines in Australia?
Ask the Aussies they say it was a lie!
The captured Girls of Korea for the Japanese soldiers to have there FUN with?
That was probably another lie?
Saddam gassed his OWN people!
Was That A LIE?
YES IT WAS A LIE!
Saddam gassed the poor Kurds with the Turkeys approval!
You see IF you ask any of the above WHO are afraid of the truth OR hope that it is swept under the Carpet they will say LIES! LIES! LIES!
Turkey must and will answer for past criminal behavior not only with the Armenians or the Kurds BUT when the time comes with Cyprus:
As I have said many time:
You can FOOL some of the people some of the time BUT not ALL the people ALL the time!
cheers
Russia killing Chechen's?
That's another lie!
OR is it? |
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