The fairest solution to the Cyprus problem is ...? Part 2

[cypezokyli]

[stavrizatz]

Cypezokyli wrote:

[turkcyp]

I think there can be one of the follwoomg solutions.

(1) Turn back to 1960 agreements and change it so that it suits to both commuties needs.

(2) or seperation based on mutually agreed maps. What these maps will be is a matter for technical experts and peoples accpetance of these technical experts mutually agreed maps.

p.s. I have no problem in accepting if the seperation and mutaully agreed maps are 18/82 split. What I want to be convinced though is that these percentages are based on some sort of scientific, technical and legal evaluation.

[Mete]

[pg]

It is already bicommunal...

But I do agree with you that it is a better starting point than status quo for the discussions.

[Mete]

[repulsewarrior]

The fairest solution to the Cyprus Problem is Bi- Communal and Bi-Zonal.

This means three governments and many parts.

BI-Zonal: The island divided as it is. In each territory enclaves, (several to many, big and/or small) dotting the landscape, where their counterpart can sustain a majority... which will provide for a fair redistribution of the land, without destroying the fabric of the existing cultures. On the contrary, it will provide for the diversity of each peoples.

BI-Communal: Two National Assemblies to govern the two Zones, Sovereign by Charter over their people's internal affairs, and guaranteed by Constitutional reform, each elected by all its citizens in a manner where one language is chosen to be an Official Language, but that their services can be provided in their counterpart's language, and in English. Thus, all Cypriots, Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots alike, can open their society to their global partners (and to each other) as peoples who are inclusive.

And

One Republic of Cyprus, for their governance as Individuals, European members, and as a State. Each citizen having a right to vote for three representatives (one Turkish Cypriot and one Greek Cypriot, as well as an Independant sitting in the lower house, being bi-cameral, having an upper house which is equally divided, where the leader (Greek Cypriot or Turkish Cypriot) must win a majority of seats, representing a Party, where they, in each riding, provide two candidates (one on each slate),as equals, representing their commitment toward bettering the condition of all people.

[pg]

[stavrizatz]

RW wrote:

[repulsewarrior]

Stav, your idea of a bicameral legislature is an excellent proposal. I choose however, to have the legislatures filled by members who must face the electorate, whose credibility rests with the people who elect them.

The Upper House is divided as you describe, equally. In my view Parties will form that base their programs on values which appeal to their whole constituency, rather than the ethnic majority, because for their candidates' election, each citizen has two votes, voting for these members from two slates of candidates, one turcophome and one grecophone. The leader of the Party who wins the majority of these seats gains power, and becomes our President for the duration.

The Lower House is our countervaling power, a chamber of second sober thought. Its members are Independant, without affiliation to the National Parties, they are voted to this House by their community, 'one man one vote', because of their aptitute, integrity, and/or in recognition of their achievement in Civic Affairs.

The leader has their committees, but there are seats to be filled with members of the Lower House. Thus, with their speaker elected by them, and a vote by consesus, their debate will inform the population on the issues, which surround the progress of legislative acts, and the transparency of their Government.

Three votes, that's Bi-Communal; not one vote, many votes, but two choices.

I would like to propose that the language of the legislatures is English, making available translations/ transcriptions available at least in the two remaining Official Languages.

I am afraid that in your hypothesis, the weakness is in the term "senior member", and the possibility that changing demographics could affect its balance.

[karavas40]

One thing we all forget is this i may be wrong but nevertheless im going to say it, There are four major players in Cyprus Greece,Turkey,England,and of course Cyprus...All these people in these four countries are in theory like minded western loving freedom aspiring and for the exception of cyprus aligned in Nato, 50 years ago when the conflict in cyprus erupted the cold war was at its height and noone could of predicted its outcome, in my opinion most of the problems on cyprus were due to the cold war and the relative poverty the place had..The area today is much different all peoples of this four way are headed towards the same place, if you think about it relative wealth has befallen all four the cold war is over and economic prosperity is in everyones future if and only if they all head towards that direction, these feelings about turk cyp not feeling secure and greek cyp wanting enosis are antiquated rhetoric if you ask me..greek cyp do not want enosis they are used to their independence the turk cyp should not have anything to fear for they could become an intergral part of cyprus politically and economically i think its time for all of us involved to realize these things and move ahead, we ask turkey to change its ways to conform cypriots should ask themselves the same question, as for security why not have cyprus join nato as well

[repulsewarrior]

welcome karavas, thank you for your post, your signature makes me smile.

being in d.c., perhaps you can get for us McCain's views on the Cyprus Problem. He has remained silent, and my letter to his office is left without a reply. Mr. Obama has made his views known and they are heartening, I don't doubt a man like McCain to know what is right from wrong but it would be nice if he were to make this plain.

cheers!