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Evagoras
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Joined: 26 May 2006
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| depurple wrote: |
MAP D:
Give the Turkish Cypriot ALL of Pafos and half of Limassol and leave Kyrenia alone!
cheers
PS I will also through in Ayia Napa as an entree! |
Like apoel fans sing EEEE OOOOO GIVE BACK KERYNIA AND WE WILL GIVE YOU LIMASSOL  |
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Evagoras
Senior Villager
Joined: 26 May 2006
Posts: 118
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| Curiass wrote: |
The present demarcation seems to be working just fine.
Just tidy up Verosa and the erratics - back to the Greeks I say - and be done with it. Subdividing once more would mean more disruption and misery. Let it end. The Greeks have the majority of the island, and quite frankly I don't care about percentages. Let the status quo be made de jure. If all the Turkish Cypriots of the diaspora were to return the percentages would alter anyway. And more Turks left than did Greeks.
Good to see that Greeks also see the sense of partition though. I was speaking to Greek friend and he believed a genuine split woud be the cleanest and best result. It looks like the good sense of the principle is established, now it's just the details. Fantastic. |
you propose uncondinional surrender of Greek Cypriot side to your maximalist demands . do you honestly believe we will ever accept that? |
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erolz
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Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 4195
Location: Kyrenia / Girne
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| Kifeas wrote: |
Thanks a lot guys! Let's see how long it will last this time. |
To be blunt Kifeas if you have returned simply to throw nonconstructive and childish abuse at anyone who's views you do not like then I for one hope your return does not last long 
The point of this forum is not to allow you to vent your anger and frustration on others in public. If that is what you wish or need to do then please just stay away. |
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Curiass
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Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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Kind thought; but no thanks.
Try a dating site. |
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Kifeas
Warnings : 6
Ministerial
Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 2733
Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| erolz wrote: |
To be blunt Kifeas if you have returned simply to throw nonconstructive and childish abuse at anyone who's views you do not like then I for one hope your return does not last long
The point of this forum is not to allow you to vent your anger and frustration on others in public. If that is what you wish or need to do then please just stay away. |
Whereas it certainly is the point of this forum to allow junkasses like Curiass, etc, to mentally abuse and insult us with their shameless, outwardly provocative and preposterous views and suggestions visa vie what we should be doing with the future of our country, our properties and our history. I know …I know, we had this discussion before.
The problem is not with you or with people like Curiass. The problem is with those “sleepy” Greek Cypriot members of this forum that choose to remain here and read, and even worst try to pick up conversations with people like Curiass; instead of telling him precisely the thing I told him, even if this will mean the end of their membership in such a forum. |
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erolz
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Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 4195
Location: Kyrenia / Girne
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| erolz wrote: |
To be blunt Kifeas if you have returned simply to throw nonconstructive and childish abuse at anyone who's views you do not like then I for one hope your return does not last long
The point of this forum is not to allow you to vent your anger and frustration on others in public. If that is what you wish or need to do then please just stay away. |
Whereas it certainly is the point of this forum to allow junkasses like Curiass, etc, to mentally abuse and insult us with their shameless, provocative and outwardly preposterous views and suggestions visa vie what we should be doing with the future of our country, our properties and our history. I know …I know, we had this discussion before.
The problem is not with you or with people like Curiass. The problem is with those “sleepy” Greek Cypriot members of this forum that choose to remain here and read, and even worst try to pick up conversations with people like Curiass; instead of telling him precisely the thing I told him, even if this will mean the end of their membership in such a forum. |
And so we go round once more the same old tired discussion.
You may want this forum to censure people for their views, and stop them expressing those views when YOU do not like them, but that is not how this forum works. People are not censured for their views here , they can be and are censured for their behavior. That's the policy of this forum. You had a chance to be involved in the running of the site and the formulation of such policy when this site was created and you rejected the opportunity.
You may think the way to resolve differences is to abuse each other. I do not and I am sure there are many others of all ethnic backgrounds who also do not. This forum is for those people.
No one makes you post here but if you do you should have the decency to respect the forum, it's rules and it's members. That someone says things you do not like does not give you a valid excuse to ignore the forum rules and treat it and it's members with contempt as far as I am concerned. |
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Kifeas
Warnings : 6
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 2733
Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| erolz wrote: |
| And so we go round once more the same old tired discussion. |
You have started it as far as I am concerned, and you continue to insist that I am someone that should take lessons from you or anybody else in this forum.
| erolz wrote: |
| You may want this forum to censure people for their views, and stop them expressing those views when YOU do not like them, but that is not how this forum works. |
I want nothing of this sort. I am only here to express my views as well! You are the one that wants to censure me, and not me to censure anyone else.
You have no problem with Curiass’s “views,” who says that he wants fuck all the Greek Cypriots in the Ottoman style, simply because you also like these “views” and support them; but of course you have a problem with my view which suggests to him that it is better if he comes over and sucks my dick. You are a hypocrite, as far as I am concerned!
As I said before, it is not your fault! The fault lies entirely on those "sleepy and sloppy" lumpen Greek Cypriots that choose to stay here and participate in this forum, without reacting to such ridicules "theories" and "policies." |
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stavrizatz
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Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 925
Location: Australia / Lefkosia
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Last time I've posted a similar question (that was my first post) and mistakenly I expressed my opinion and people rather than building a constuctive argument on the topic, they attacked my opinion. Similarly this time Curiass expressed his opinion and unfortunately he received the same abusive critic. Perhaps not many people have interest in a constuctive discussion.
Come on guys! |
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stavrizatz
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Joined: 20 Feb 2006
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Location: Australia / Lefkosia
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Well Curiass I guess your view is, as i said earlier
“well there was a problem, now fuck the problem once we live in peace and we are probably better off as we are”
You suggest a social forgetting, you suggest that other Turkish Cypriots moved from their land in the South to live in North in a land that is not owned by them. You suggest that Greek Cypriots should forget their homes in North and just get used to the idea of separation. However you still remember a few things, you remember the atrocities of the Greeks towards the Turks in the pre-74 period and for that you demand compemsation, you remember your culture, your heritage and your identity but you demand from others to forget it!
Also the referendum of 2004 shows that the majority of Turkish Cypriots are not in favour of partition but in favour of a bi-communal federation. The extreme majority of Greek Cypriots are not in favour of partition either, so if the majority of Cypriots are not happy with the status quo then certainly there is a problem that needs a solution. |
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Viewpoint
Warnings : 2
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Joined: 14 Aug 2005
Posts: 971
Location: Lefkosa/Nicosia
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| Curiass wrote: |
The present demarcation seems to be working just fine.
Just tidy up Verosa and the erratics - back to the Greeks I say - and be done with it. Subdividing once more would mean more disruption and misery. Let it end. The Greeks have the majority of the island, and quite frankly I don't care about percentages. Let the status quo be made de jure. If all the Turkish Cypriots of the diaspora were to return the percentages would alter anyway. And more Turks left than did Greeks.
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Curiass, are you anywhere near? You know something, I have an even better suggestion ...how about for you to just come over and suck my dick?  |
Pretty clear who started it, Curiass is putting his opinions forward which he has the right to do, argue the issues not abuse the poster, somethings never change. Kifeas epitomizes the Zorba/Despot mentality that you would have to contend with in a united Cyprus. |
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erolz
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Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 4195
Location: Kyrenia / Girne
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| You have started it as far as I am concerned, |
Of course I started it as far as you are concerned, for clearly as far as you are concerned nothing you do could ever be wrong so therefore it must mean someone else is in the wrong.
| Kifeas wrote: |
and you continue to insist that I am someone that should take lessons from you or anybody else in this forum. |
I do not insist you take lessons from me or anyone else on this forum. I do however think that it is common decency that if you CHOSE to post on a forum then you should respect that forums rules and not treat them with contempt and when you do chose to break the rules you do not blame others for you having done so.
| Kifeas wrote: |
| erolz wrote: |
| You may want this forum to censure people for their views, and stop them expressing those views when YOU do not like them, but that is not how this forum works. |
I want nothing of this sort. I am only here to express my views as well! You are the one that wants to censure me, and not me to censure anyone else. |
Your position is clear and you have repeated it many times. What you want is either no censorship at all so you are free to tell anyone on the forum who's views you do not like 'to go suck your dick' or any other insult you care to use, or you want anything you consider offensive to be removed from the forum. In short you want either chaos or the suppression of any discussion at all. Well that is not how this forum works - despite what you want. The rules are clear, we have discussed them many times in the past and you still come here and purposely flaut those rules as you have done so many times before. Yet still you are free to post here and whine about being censured (which is not the same as censored).
| Kifeas wrote: |
You have no problem with Curiass’s “views,” who says that he wants fuck all the Greek Cypriots in the Ottoman style, simply because you also like these “views” and support them; but of course you have a problem with my view which suggests to him that it is better if he comes over and sucks my dick. You are a hypocrite, as far as I am concerned! |
For your accusation to be true there would have to be no posts here that express views that I find offensive but that do not contain personal insults to other members - that have not been quarantined or deleted. The fact is there are plenty of such posts. There are people posting here saying things that I find offensive but without personal abuse of other members and those posts remain, just as curiass's that you find offensive remain. Then there are those posts that contain personal insults and attacks against other members and not their views and opinions and if reported these are quarantined as per the agreed rules. Many of which you have been the author of.
You can shout bias and hypocrite - but the documentary evidence is all there and verifiable. Express a view or opinion in a post that some may find offensive without personal abuse of members and the post stays. Make a post abusing other members personally and if reported it goes. The complete documentary record of every post, those quarantined as well as those not, is available to all members and shows that your accusations are not based on fact.
| Kifeas wrote: |
As I said before, it is not your fault! The fault lies entirely on those "sleepy and sloppy" lumpen Greek Cypriots that choose to stay here and participate in this forum, without reacting to such ridicules "theories" and "policies." |
Well Kifeas you are the 9th biggest contributor to this forum in post count terms having posted 2523 posts since the forum started and you continue to post today - apparently to say that Greek Cypriots should not post here, in between abusing certain other members of the forum.
If you think the policy of the forum is wrong you are free as any other member is, to start a post on the forum saying what you think is wrong and what you think would be better and invite an open discussion from the membership about the issue (provided you can refrain from throwing personal abuse around at other members of course). You can even have a poll on it, asking members to vote for different proposals. Yet this is not what you have done or chose to do. Instead your approach is that , regardless of the forums current rules or what the current members may want, if someone says something YOU consider offensive to your personal and ethnic sensibilities, you will throw personal abuse at them anyway - as if you have some god given right and duty to do so, whilst also making (both false and offensive to me) accusations of bias and hypocrisy.
I suspect the real reason you do not like this forum and make such apparent efforts to undermine it is exactly because it is NOT biased and it IS bicommunal in its very nature and that is why you are driven to not simply ignore it but to try and undermine it. Maybe I am wrong about this but that is what I suspect is the reality behind your 'return' here. |
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Lewis Gerolemou
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Joined: 30 Apr 2006
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Excuse me chaps, but you have gone seriously off topic. Would you please swing your handbags elsewhere. I feel that Kifeas's maps deserve consideration, personally I favor map C. Let's have a fair partition, it would mean that:-
1. The property issue could be sorted by genuine exchange.
2. The Turkish Cypriots could keep as many settlers as they wanted.
3. Many of the British carpetbaggers would lose their stolen property.
4. More than half the Greek Cypriot refugees could return home.
5.The Turkish Cypriots would be guaranteed security for ever by the Turkish troops
6. Greek troops would guarantee Greek Cypriot security.
7. Turkey could join the EU.
8. The Greek Cypriots would very generously give the Turkish Cypriots 18% of future oil revenue and the Turkish Cypriots would agree (if they ever find any) to reciprocate with 82% of theirs.
The only serious downside would be that many Turkish Cypriots would have to move again but Turkey could pay them compensation for conquering too much land in the first place |
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cannedmoose
Warnings : 4
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Joined: 12 Aug 2005
Posts: 5357
Location: National Forest, England
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| Lewis Gerolemou wrote: |
Excuse me chaps, but you have gone seriously off topic. Would you please swing your handbags elsewhere. I feel that Kifeas's maps deserve consideration, personally I favor map C. Let's have a fair partition, it would mean that:-
1. The property issue could be sorted by genuine exchange.
2. The Turkish Cypriots could keep as many settlers as they wanted.
3. Many of the British carpetbaggers would lose their stolen property.
4. More than half the Greek Cypriot refugees could return home.
5.The Turkish Cypriots would be guaranteed security for ever by the Turkish troops
6. Greek troops would guarantee Greek Cypriot security.
7. Turkey could join the EU.
8. The Greek Cypriots would very generously give the Turkish Cypriots 18% of future oil revenue and the Turkish Cypriots would agree (if they ever find any) to reciprocate with 82% of theirs. |
I agree, apart from point 8. The territorial waters issue would need to be resolved according to the Law of the Sea, clearly demarcating the boundary between the two states. Therefore any deposits found within the exclusive economic zone of the Republic of Cyprus would be theirs alone, as with any deposits found within Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus waters. This is the only fair solution. |
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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 2733
Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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He he he he…. Why is it so difficult for you to realize that the reason I made these maps and pretended favoring partition is simply because I know by fact they never want to accept partition if the land basis is on a 82:18 split. So that I prove that the reason they want partition is because they grabbed way more in the expense of the Greek Cypriots, and they just want to capitalize on this fact and fuck the Greek Cypriots. That if instead of 36% that they usurped in 1974, they had only grabbed 18%, they would have never been talking about partition in the first place, and that all the lame excuses they invented afterwards to support their “cause,” would have never made their appearance.
Didn’t you read Curiasse’s comments and Viewpoint’s and Erol’s reactions? He basically said to us: “we are Turks and we fuck you back then, and you must now accept it as a closed deal because we have the neo-ottoman state’s army on our side, and you should stop complaining and sign your capitulation!” This is what I want the Greek Cypriots to realize, and stop trying to have rational conversations with people having such attitudes. |
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Lewis Gerolemou
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Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 107
Location: UK
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| Well it looks as if some of us can agree on how partition come about. Kifeas are you saying that our "punishment" for what happened in the 1960s is losing 18% of Cyprus. In that case what should be Turkey's "punishment" for what happened between 1570 and 1878, perhaps the Greek Cypriots can be given a slice of Constantinople/Istanbul |
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