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stavrizatz
Mukhtar/is
Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 925
Location: Australia / Lefkosia
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| You report the post and I or another mod/admin will take the action they see. If you can't be bothered to do then don not complain that no action has been take. If you do report it and action is taken will you then come back and say your suggestion of bias was unfounded in this case? |
I didn't complain, I was just saying why maybe DLS is bothered, and also I didn't say that the forum has double standards (i said maybe it does)
Personally I didn't come across any unfairness but if DLS is right and he receives warnings at the time that other forum members don't for similar insults then...
I have no idea how warnings work anyway, I don't think I will ever receive one, lol |
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erolz
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Joined: 11 Aug 2005
Posts: 4195
Location: Kyrenia / Girne
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I didn't complain, I was just saying why maybe DLS is bothered, and also I didn't say that the forum has double standards (i said maybe it does)
Personally I didn't come across any unfairness but if DLS is right and he receives warnings at the time that other forum members don't for similar insults then...
I have no idea how warnings work anyway, I don't think I will ever receive one, lol |
And maybe I am actually a fascist who only set this forum up because I want to lord over others as a way of making up for my real world inadequacies ? We can all play the maybe game.
The FACT is NOTHING is hidden here. You can see if a post has been reported and no action taken. You can see every post that action was taken on . You can then make a case based in fact as to if there is bias or not.
Or you could throw out some maybes?
Why do you think you need to explain why you think DLS may be upset in any case? He has said what his complait is himself, plainly and clearly. Anyone who could be bothered could investigate his claims and come to an opinion on how valid or not they are. That is how the forum was designed to be. So what value do you think you add to the discussion by suggesting that maybe there is bias here?
If I sound frustrated in this post there is a reason for that. |
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De_La_Soul
Warnings : 3
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Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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I will put it in simple terms....
Is calling someone 'ignorant' or a 'mug' more offensive than using the term 'you are talking shit'.
Yes I know this subject seems extremely petty but I am pointing out the inconsistancy by Erolz in dishing out warnings. It seems that the Greek Cypriots who stand up most to this person such as myself and Kifeas seem to accumilate a lot of warning for extremely petty remarks.
How on earth can you justify giving a person a warning for calling someone 'ignorant' but then come out with some stupid technicality that saying to someone 'you are talking shit' is all fine and dandy.
Infact I think I can recolect that I have received a warning for telling someone they are talking 'bollocks'...lol
I dont really care that Zan said to me I am talking shit...I enjoy the banter...but it does concern me that the person who is dishing out these silly warnings to myself and Kifeas is the person that we stand up to most in his views. All i know is I get these stupid warning messages it seems to be from Erolz and the reasons for these warnings most of the time ARE stupid.
On the other hand, I can almost guarantee that the same remarks made by SOME of the consistant Turkish Cypriot posters in this forum will be ignored unless someone uses the blue button (oooooooh).
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De La Soul if I ran this forum you would have a life time ban on the house.
There have been times when I stood up for you (dont start all this I don't want your help bullshit) when people criticised you.
don't mind getting a ban for saying this because I rarely have time to eve check the forum.
De La Soul - your a complete dick.
you think the whole forum is out to get you.
Face the facts - Its called the Cyprus problem because it involves all Cypriots. But I suppose you see it as the Turkey Problem |
Young boy you can call me a dick (hope you got a warning  ) but it seems that the two forum members who receive the most warnings are the ones who are trying to stand up for your rights in your homeland. Maybe you dont want me to represent you but if it was left to the nicey nicey approach to people who's views take the piss (did that bypass the technicality?) and want to oppress your human rights then you would be the loser sooner rather than later.
Right now the only country who is trouncing on your human rights in your homeland IS Turkey - and your a fool to think that they would even contemplate seeking any form of reunification if they didnt want to join the EU so badly.
Who's views are the complete dick type now??
but tell me once again who you can justify giving a warning for refering to someone as ignorant lol.
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If you ever feel that you have received a warning without provocation from any one of the mods, you have the right to ask any of the others to look at this. But, this isn't a court of law, if any moderator feels that you have been unnecessarily abusive to another forum member you will receive a warning. As Erol said, on a number of occasions he has sought guidance from the other moderators as to whether certain people deserved warnings/bans rather than acting alone, so to label him in such a way is out of line.
Anyway, I doubt you'll ever get the point others are trying to help you understand, so this has no doubt been a wasted two minutes typing this. |
Thank you for being one of the few people here with common sense but I would like to ask you why I should continually ask moderators why I have received a warning without provocation. Is it not the least bit worrying that I should get that many silly warnings in the first place before asking other moderators??? Do you not find it a bit petty that I should receive a warning for calling someone a mug or ignorant??...and if you are honest with yourself...you will admit that some of the other Turkish Cypriot forum members (I give you a clue...not Brother) who use the same petty remarks, have to have their posts blue carded before taken into consideration. |
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erolz
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Joined: 11 Aug 2005
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Location: Kyrenia / Girne
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| De_La_Soul wrote: |
| Is calling someone 'ignorant' or a 'mug' more offensive than using the term 'you are talking shit'. |
This has been discussed many times in the past. The rule is NOT you must not be offensive. The reason why that is NOT the rule is because what one person considers offensive is too subjective and too limiting on REAL debate - like when Kifeas argued that saying north Cyprus is Turkish Cypriot is offensive to him. Such a rule is not practical. This is not some fiat decision by me but one reached after much discussion and agreement amongst both the mod/admin team and forum members in general.
The rule is you must not insult other member personally. There is no argument you need to make about the Cyprus problem that requires you to do this.
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Yes I know this subject seems extremely petty but I am pointing out the inconsistancy by Erolz in dishing out warnings. It seems that the Greek Cypriots who stand up most to this person such as myself and Kifeas seem to accumilate a lot of warning for extremely petty remarks. |
That both you and Kifeas are (were) leading the 'warnings recived' league may be explainable in two ways. One is that I am persecuting you and Kifeas because I disagree with your views. The other explanation is that you an Kifeas break the rules more than any other members.
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How on earth can you justify giving a person a warning for calling someone 'ignorant' but then come out with some stupid technicality that saying to someone 'you are talking shit' is all fine and dandy. |
The question I ask myself when I am OBLIGED to make a judgment call on a post because it has been reported is 'is that an attack on the poster or an attack on the posters views'. It is not always clear cut and it is a judgment call. I explained my judgment call. However ANY mod/admin can make their own call and mine does not excude them calling it differently. In fact another mod DID call it differently and the post you refer to in comparison HAS been quarantined as well and the poster given a warning.
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I dont really care that Zan said to me I am talking shit...I enjoy the banter...but it does concern me that the person who is dishing out these silly warnings to myself and Kifeas is the person that we stand up to most in his views. All i know is I get these stupid warning messages it seems to be from Erolz and the reasons for these warnings most of the time ARE stupid.
On the other hand, I can almost guarantee that the same remarks made by SOME of the consistant Turkish Cypriot posters in this forum will be ignored unless someone uses the blue button (oooooooh). |
Look I have already told you I do NOT take any action on a post unless it is reported. Other mod/admins may quarantine post without such reportings - but I have not done this for some considerable time. The idea that I single you out for 'special' attention is just not true.
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Thank you for being one of the few people here with common sense but I would like to ask you why I should continually ask moderators why I have received a warning without provocation. Is it not the least bit worrying that I should get that many silly warnings in the first place before asking other moderators??? Do you not find it a bit petty that I should receive a warning for calling someone a mug or ignorant??...and if you are honest with yourself...you will admit that some of the other Turkish Cypriot forum members (I give you a clue...not Brother) who use the same petty remarks, have to have their posts blue carded before taken into consideration. |
Your claim is you get warnings 'without provocation'. As I have explained to you the forum was designed so that if such things were to happen anyone could check and see if they were true or not. So lets look at your recent warnings shall we, to see if they are 'unfair' as you claim and a result of your views opposing mine and NOT a result of your inability to follow the sites rules. The following is from the newest 3 pages of quarantined post - representing 150 quarantined posts. Of this 150 you have received 14 of them, one of which was a double post. The other 13 are below.
In order then your 13 quarantined posts edited to show the part that breaks the rule on personally insulting other posters.
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| Im supposed to respect someone who is as ignorant and continually gullible as you lol. |
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| In a nutshell your an anti-Greek dickhead. |
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| It's twisted pricks like this guy who keeps the Cyprus problem going...not me. |
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| Oh and is this you spreading more lies about the Greek community in the UK??? you little worm. |
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| Why are you so ignorant?? |
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| you really ara a numbskull arent you. |
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| No your just a mouthy prick who hides behind his keyboard spreading lies and promoting ethinc cleansing of Cyprus. |
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| the Greek Cypriot moderators who do nothing about this should be ashamed of themselves you FUCKIN sell outs! |
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| Typical ignorant Turk huh |
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| yeah, your a brainwashed nationalist moron. |
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| Cant you say anything original you stupid confused brainwashed ARSE. |
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| Because im not so ignorant and lazy in understanding the issues surrounding EOKA, like Brother, like 100% 'Cypriot' and like Xenon2dicksonhishead.. |
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| Besides, its lamented wat a racist prick Tufan is anyway. |
So the above are the posts you received warnings for 'without provocation' in your words. So what is going on here? Are you getting more warnings that others because I am out to get you because you oppose my views or are you getting more warnings that others because you break the rules more than others? I think the answer is clear.
You claim that Turkish Cypriot posters do not receive the same treatment that you do. If this is the case then is should be easy for you to show me their posts that have been reported where they did NOT get a warning that are similar to those of yours above where you did get a warning. Will you do this? No of course you will not for you have no interest in the the truth and reality - your interest is to try an create an untrue impression in peoples minds, despite the fact that all the evidence one way or another is there for all to see. |
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Crash Test Dummy
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Joined: 25 Sep 2005
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DLS - I know the Turks murdered and raped, but I know they only did it because gangs of 'Greeks' went around killing people.
I know these people would never of seen themselves as different unless the British encouraged them (divide and rule).
And I know that Turkey was allowed to walk straight into Cyprus as the British (with what was effectively an air base with radars etc.) didn't say anything to the Cypriots.
You need to think of WHY things happened.
Eg. I hit you so you hit me back. I cant blame you for hitting me can I.
How do you expect to educate people about Cyprus if you rant like a disgruntled employee. |
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cannedmoose
Warnings : 4
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Joined: 12 Aug 2005
Posts: 5357
Location: National Forest, England
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| I know these people would never of seen themselves as different unless the British encouraged them (divide and rule). |
I think the lovely Archbishops had something to do with this as well... it's very easy to lay the blame at the feet of the British without accepting responsibility yourselves.
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| And I know that Turkey was allowed to walk straight into Cyprus as the British (with what was effectively an air base with radars etc.) didn't say anything to the Cypriots. |
Since the legitimate government of Cyprus had been overthrown by a coup, who exactly were the British supposed to have warned? Were they supposed to set up channels of communication to Nicos Sampson? Or to the Greek junta (who were aware of the Turkish plans anyway but decided to ensure their security rather than dispatch forces to 'defend' Cyprus)?
Anyway, look at it from the British perspective. These were people who just 20 years before had killed hundreds of British soldiers in their struggle for 'liberation', yet now suddenly an illegal government was expecting military assistance under the Treaty of Guarantee! The coup abrogated assistance under that Treaty, what was taking place was a civil war between Greek Cypriots, with the Turkish Cypriots stuck in the middle. At this point the rightful thing for the British government to have done would have been to partake in the initial Turkish intervention. That way, the intervention could have been limited (without the subsequent August land-grab), legal and ensured that once the rightful government was restored, some political change took place to ensure the rights of all Cypriots. If you want to blame Britain for anything, that's what you should blame them for. |
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SP
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Joined: 16 Nov 2005
Posts: 265
Location: Girne
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I couldn't agree with you more cannedmoose.
It was Britains INNACTION that exacerbated the issue. Had Callaghan acted in the way you describe there wouldn't be a Cyprus Problem today. |
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zan
Warnings : 2
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Joined: 31 Dec 2005
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It just seems ridiculous to blame everything on the last two Empires and use that as an excuse for all our troubles. This thing has been in the hands of four different peoples for a long time now and we have not progressed one inch. The tiny amount we have achieved, which is the opening of the boarders is just about to collapse and we still choose to blame the British and the Ottomans for everything. We vote for the people that keep us in this situation, so who is to blame. Just like what this thread is about, we need to stand up and be counted. It was a Greek Cypriot that quarantined my post and issued me with a warning and I have no problem with that. He will have to face the music when he is at those pearly gates waiting to get in. It is between his conscience and his god.   |
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De_La_Soul
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Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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DLS - I know the Turks murdered and raped, but I know they only did it because gangs of 'Greeks' went around killing people.
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I cant be bothered to go on about the rest of the crap-like talk in this website but if this is what you beleive CTD then I do feel sorry for you and wonder if its this website that has made you think such a simplistic and false point of view. |
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stavrizatz
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Joined: 20 Feb 2006
Posts: 925
Location: Australia / Lefkosia
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| hey DLS, re file, don't just make everyone else wrong. Everyone has a point of view and it should be respectful because no-one knows the truth perfectly accurate. |
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city
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Joined: 15 Aug 2005
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Location: Larnaca area
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| I have no idea how warnings work anyway, I don't think I will ever receive one, lol |
Stavrizatz, before you jump into discussions like this I strongly suggest you get familiar with the forums rules. Especially how the warning systems works and what is its purpose. http://www.talkcyprus.org/forum/faq.php?mode=sitefaq#15
That would maybe stop you and others to repeatedly complain why someone has received a warning and someone else not.
As Erolz explained more then once we mods do not browse the forum the whole day to search for posts we might consider unacceptable. We act when a post gets reported. Meaning we act on members requests.
So once again: if you think a post is personally insulting or otherwise in breach of the forum rules then please use the blue card system! That would safe us all from time consuming and unproduvtive discussions like this one here. |
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100%cypriot
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Joined: 27 Jun 2006
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| Do i detect someone feels that they are being BULLIED ? |
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100%cypriot
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Joined: 27 Jun 2006
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De La Soul if I ran this forum you would have a life time ban on the house.
There have been times when I stood up for you (dont start all this I don't want your help bullshit) when people criticised you.
don't mind getting a ban for saying this because I rarely have time to eve check the forum.
De La Soul - your a complete dick.
you think the whole forum is out to get you.
Face the facts - Its called the Cyprus problem because it involves all Cypriots. But I suppose you see it as the Turkey Problem  |
CTD carefull mate your gonna be called a TRAITOR by the Greek Cypriots on the forum |
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Crash Test Dummy
Warnings : 3
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Joined: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 4911
Location: London(ish)
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CTD carefull mate your gonna be called a TRAITOR by the Greek Cypriots on the forum |
Sure I will get over it.
In my opinion the Turks have more to answer for but the greeks arent totally innocent.
They were not playing in the fields when a bunch of Turks invaded for a laugh. get serious
DLS - You think people invent stories just to justify a retaliation. Yes they are 99% bullshit and completely exaggerated but there is some fact behind it.
I dont doubt for 1 second that the facts/stories you say arent true to an extent. I just dont understand why your incapable of wanting to know the truth.
Moose - if the british were not so pissed off with the cypriots for helping out EOKA I think they would of given the public some notice
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cannedmoose
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Joined: 12 Aug 2005
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Location: National Forest, England
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Moose - if the british were not so pissed off with the cypriots for helping out EOKA I think they would of given the public some notice
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Explain how when the radio and tv channels were controlled by the coupists. You can't really believe such a simplistic view Dummy... ask this another way... the Greeks knew of Turkey's plans... why didn't they warn their Cypriot compatriots? |
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