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cypezokyli
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| De_La_Soul wrote: |
| I want to know seriously if Turkish Cypriots here still think Tpap or the Republic of Cyprus authorities are Turkish Cypriot haters. |
heres an article from a Turkish Cypriot who doesnt think like that ( hasan kavetjioglou ). in short what he sais is "we are trying to change this climate against most of the Turkish Cypriot media, and politicians , but you are not helping either"
http://www.politis-news.com/cgibin/hweb?-A=676621&-V=articles&-p
he refers to the two topics of the week, the new law and the student fights.
its a good read |
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Bananiot
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| Well said Birkibrisli. Greek Cypriots think like this for Denktash. I think they are the same, Papadopoulos and Denktash. They prescribe to the same school of thought. |
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stavrizatz
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Birkibisli wrote:
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| In the eyes of most Turkish Cypriots Tpap is forever tainted because of his association with EOKA,and his role in preparing the Akritas Plan which most Turkish Cypriots believe (rightly or wrongly) to be a plan for ethnic cleansing. |
I believe most Turkish Cypriots think the above because they are told to do so. In fact no Greek Cypriot leader will ever satisfy Turkish Cypriots because almost everyone was somehow related or supported EOKA and the Akritas Plan can be associated with anyone, Erolz said most liely was written by Klerides and Yorgadgis, now Tpap, lets see who else was involved with it. It is a joke!
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| They will not trust a government headed by him. Unless the Greek Cypriots understand and accept that "Security" is the paramount issue for most Turkish Cypriots,there will not be a solution other than the status quo. |
The status quo will remain as long as Turkish Cypriots use the excuse of 'security'
By the way what exactly happened with attacks, where can I find info? |
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erolz
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| stavrizatz wrote: |
| I believe most Turkish Cypriots think the above because they are told to do so. |
Yet Turkish Cypriot are in fact just sheep, unable to think for themselves and who believe what they are told by their leaderships, because they are Turkish Cypriot. Where as Greek Cypriot are?
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In fact no Greek Cypriot leader will ever satisfy Turkish Cypriots because almost everyone was somehow related or supported EOKA and the Akritas Plan can be associated with anyone, Erolz said most liely was written by Klerides and Yorgadgis, now Tpap, lets see who else was involved with it. It is a joke! |
I really wish you would not try and speak for the Turkish Cypriot community. I know we are sheep and unable to speak for ourselves and thus need you to tell us what we think and why, but I still wish you would not do it. Maybe that makes me the a black sheep of the Turkish Cypriot community ? The fact is you have no idea how the Turkish Cypriot community might respond to a Greek Cypriot leader that was not directly and intimately involved in the events in Cyprus in the period 60-74 because you have never elected one. Try electing one and then we shall see how we respond.
By the way I do not 'credit' the above three with authorship of the Akritas plan, it is was is widely believed in the south and has never been denied by any of them. You may think it is joke to associate TP with the Akritas plan and EOKA and the Greek Cypriot leaderships of 60-74 but the reality is that he WAS associated with these things and intimately so. The real joke imho is the idea that these know and documented associations are supposed to have no effect on how the Turkish Cypriot community regard him.
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The status quo will remain as long as Turkish Cypriots use the excuse of 'security'
By the way what exactly happened with attacks, where can I find info? |
My Uncle went to work in 64 and was taken from his place of work by armed milita's the bulk of which were under the control Yiorjardis the then interior minster of the Republic of Cyprus and murdered and never seen of again and no action had EVER been taken by Republic of Cyprus authorities then or now to find these murderers and punish them. So of course the idea that security of Turkish Cypriot living in a unitary Cyprus is a real issue is just a joke. Clearly it is just an 'excuse'.
If you want an idea of the kind of thing that was occurring in Cyprus in this period then a good starting point would be here.
http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/www.cyprus-conflict.net/Patrick-chp%203.html |
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stavrizatz
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| Not those attack, I've read cyprus-conflict a million times, I mean the attacks of Turkish Cypriots in the school in England, because I've read the first post of Cypez and I got confused |
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stavrizatz
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I don't try to speak on behalf of Turkish Cypriots, sorry if it came across that way.
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| In fact no Greek Cypriot leader will ever satisfy Turkish Cypriots |
I don't now why the 'In fact' is there (i guess I wrote it, but perhaps wanted to write something else and changed my mind) , please take it as "I think any Greek Cypriot leaders will satisfy Turkish Cypriots..."
All I am trying to say, if not Tpap, then point at a Greek Cypriot leader who might be good. Some Turkish Cypriots that I know like Christofias, but again in the forum I've heared bad comments about Christofias as well. Who could possibly satisfy Turkish Cypriots? Why don't you come to the South and vote as you have the right to do so, probably Turkish Cypriots could help elect a better leader than Tpap |
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Mete
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Who could possibly satisfy Turkish Cypriots?
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Vassilou could be one. |
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erolz
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| stavrizatz wrote: |
| Not those attack, I've read cyprus-conflict a million times, I mean the attacks of Turkish Cypriots in the school in England, because I've read the first post of Cypez and I got confused |
Indeed you would seem to be a little confused.
A summary of events.
The initial incident occurred at the English School, which is located in Nicosia in the south and has a long history from before 60 of educating Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot together. When the border opened they once again started to admit Turkish Cypriot pupils living in the North.
The incident involved a Turkish Cypriot boy and a Greek Cypriot boy wearing a cross and some spitting on the part of the Turkish Cypriot boy. The incident was dealt with by the school , parents called in apologies given and all resolved. It should have ended there.
What happened next was sensationalised reporting full of inaccuracies of this minor incident. This lead to a group of Greek Cypriot from another school deciding to extract some vigilanty revenge. A group of around 20 of them wearing masks went to the English School and attack a group of Turkish Cypriot pupils of the English School. Greek Cypriot pupils of the English School came to their defense. There action was clearly a response to the irresponsible (imo) reporting in some south Cypriot newspapers of the orginal event.
TP condemned the attack and one arrest has been made as far as I am aware, with the person being released on bail as I understand it.
Nothing happened in England - it happened at the English School in Cyprus. |
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erolz
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| stavrizatz wrote: |
| Why don't you come to the South and vote as you have the right to do so, probably Turkish Cypriots could help elect a better leader than Tpap |
I have no right to vote in the south, as I live in the north. I would have to be resident in the South to be able to vote there and I am not. |
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Dream_Merchant
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Either that or you have to get rid of the military protectorate in the occupied areas and free yourself from the isolation that Turkey has imposed upon you and your fellow Cypriots since decades.
Of course sitting at home is the easy solution, so all the best of luck. |
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zan
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Either that or you have to get rid of the military protectorate in the occupied areas and free yourself from the isolation that Turkey has imposed upon you and your fellow Cypriots since decades.
Of course sitting at home is the easy solution, so all the best of luck. |
Have you taken in anything we Turkish Cypriots have said all this time?????  |
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stavrizatz
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Thanks Erolz for the info about the school thing.
As for the voting; didn't there some Turkish Cypriots who lived in the North vote in the past parliamentary elections? I thought some did if I am not mistaken. |
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cypezokyli
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Thanks Erolz for the info about the school thing.
As for the voting; didn't there some Turkish Cypriots who lived in the North vote in the past parliamentary elections? I thought some did if I am not mistaken. |
those who have the right to vote live on the south. there were also Turkish Cypriot candidates but again they are permanently on the south.
some Turkish Cypriots (lets call them peace activists) came to the south and asked to participate in the elections in order to cover the sits in our parliament that are reserved for Turkish Cypriots. under the conditions , the proposal was ofcource rejected |
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Dream_Merchant
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Either that or you have to get rid of the military protectorate in the occupied areas and free yourself from the isolation that Turkey has imposed upon you and your fellow Cypriots since decades.
Of course sitting at home is the easy solution, so all the best of luck. |
Have you taken in anything we Turkish Cypriots have said all this time????? |
That you are under economic and political isolation, that you have been denied your rights of self determination for so long, that you have had military oppression forced upon you, sure I read you loud and clear.
You are simply barking up the wrong olive tree.. its Turkey with its 'peace operation' and subsequent 'protection' that has put you in this mess, ask Turkey to 'unmess' it for you. |
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stavrizatz
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why ofcourse rejected?
If it was rejected it is stupid, and if that is true then I guess I am brainwashed on that; all this time I thought that Turkish Cypriots can vote and be elected and everything, so do you know what is the excuse for not letting Turkish Cypriots who live in the North to vote or be elected? |
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