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Ixtanbul
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I still believe your nick is inflamitory and adhere to my belief that you should change it if you choose to remain on this forum. Full Stop.
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Can you explain to me why my name is inflammatory? The Republic of Turkey celebrates the 29th of May every year, is the Republic of Turkey also inflammatory?
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Especially when we've had the same old tired DINASAURS in office since the 1970ies that could not negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag. The same goes for Greek politicians.
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Maybe so but that doesn't change the fact our Aegean borders are more restless then our other borders.
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Please explain the difference to me. If you adopt the western way of life do you not become western?
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I didn't say anything about adopting the Western way of life i said theres nothing wrong with adopting the advanced sides of the West, like adopting there technology or some of there beneficial doctrines. For instance the crusaders adopted the advanced sides of the East in the Medieval ages and with what they learned from the East they ended the Middle Ages but they never tried to be Eastern. We should do the same...
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| I am extremely comfortable with the person I have become through study and exploration of diverse cultures. Moreover I never claimed to be western or european. I stated that I felt that way. I am and shall always remain a Turk for better or worse. It's my lot in life and I accept this with no remorse. |
No one can object to how you feel but don't expect everyone to understand why you would feel that way.
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| However, you, as all the rest of the hardcore nationalists believe are better and know more than anyone else. |
I've only responded to you twice and you say i'm a hardcore nationalist, that sounds a bit prejudice, don't you think?
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With this attitude there will never be peace between ANYONE! Your post leaves me puzzled. Are you an Ottoman or a Kemalist? Ya can't be both.
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Theres sides of both the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey that i admire and theres sides of both that i hate. The Republic of Turkey is just another Turkish state in the history of Turkish states that comes right after the Ottoman Empire. You can't like one and hate the other, without one there wouldn't be the other...
Also whats wrong with my attitude? Just cause i don't think Turks should deny there true origins and act European just to become richer that doesn't mean people should label my attitude...
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Again, what happens when you adopt western culture? Newsflash: Ya become westernised.
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No one says adopt the Western culture, why would anyone wanna adopt a culture based on hamburgers and single mothers?
Why can't we just adopt the advanced sides of the West just like Westerners adopted the advanced sides of the East hundreds of years ago?
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Totally different from European culture? Have you been down to Taksim square lately?
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Yes Taksim is quite European just like most of Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir is. But Turkey is not made up of 3 cities! Last time i saw Nevşehir, Kars, Şırnak, Artvin, Hakkari, Denizli, Gümüşhane, Yozgat, Karabük, Sivas, Bilecik, Bingöl, Amasya, Diyarbakır etc it didn't look at all European to me, wouldn't you agree???
Please don't live in the Istanbul-Ankara-Izmir bubble, it doesn't represent the reality. Try living in Erzincan for a week, then we'll see if you feel European or not... |
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I still believe your nick is inflamitory and adhere to my belief that you should change it if you choose to remain on this forum. Full Stop.
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Can you explain to me why my name is inflammatory?
Judging from your posts you're not stupid. So put 2 and 2 together and figure it out. Stop living in the past.
The Republic of Turkey celebrates the 29th of May every year, is the Republic of Turkey also inflammatory?
Absolutely not. It was our war of independence and it should be celebrated just as any other nation celebrates their independence. You're talking about two different things.
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Especially when we've had the same old tired DINOSAURS in office since the 1970ies that could not negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag. The same goes for Greek politicians.
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Maybe so but that doesn't change the fact our Aegean borders are more restless then our other borders.
Again, you can lay the blame on politicians and not on the average Greek or Turk.
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Please explain the difference to me. If you adopt the western way of life do you not become western?
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I didn't say anything about adopting the Western way of life i said theres nothing wrong with adopting the advanced sides of the West, like adopting there technology or some of there beneficial doctrines. For instance the crusaders adopted the advanced sides of the East in the Medieval ages and with what they learned from the East they ended the Middle Ages but they never tried to be Eastern. We should do the same....
......and remain the sick man of Europe.
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| I am extremely comfortable with the person I have become through study and exploration of diverse cultures. Moreover I never claimed to be western or european. I stated that I felt that way. I am and shall always remain a Turk for better or worse. It's my lot in life and I accept this with no remorse. |
No one can object to how you feel but don't expect everyone to understand why you would feel that way.
The same can be said about you and your feelings.
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| However, you, as all the rest of the hardcore nationalists believe are better and know more than anyone else. |
I've only responded to you twice and you say i'm a hardcore nationalist, that sounds a bit prejudice, don't you think?
I called it as I saw it. I used to be hardcore as well. So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are that it is a duck.
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With this attitude there will never be peace between ANYONE! Your post leaves me puzzled. Are you an Ottoman or a Kemalist? Ya can't be both.
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Theres sides of both the Ottoman Empire and the Republic of Turkey that i admire and theres sides of both that i hate. The Republic of Turkey is just another Turkish state in the history of Turkish states that comes right after the Ottoman Empire. You can't like one and hate the other, without one there wouldn't be the other...
I never said that I hated the Ottoman Empire. On the contrary, I enjoy reading about our PAST. But that's exactly what it is...the past. If Turkey is to prosper and be integrated into the world we can not rely on our past or exist in past glories like when we sacked Constantinople in 1453. (For Dhavlos' information)
Also whats wrong with my attitude? Just cause i don't think Turks should deny there true origins and act European just to become richer that doesn't mean people should label my attitude...
I think you're paranoid. Who is denying their origins? If you prefer to live in squalor that is your choice.
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Again, what happens when you adopt western culture? Newsflash: Ya become westernized.
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No one says adopt the Western culture, why would anyone wanna adopt a culture based on hamburgers and single mothers?
I rest my case. If you believe that western culture is comprised of hamburgers and single moms then you must be living under a rock.
Why can't we just adopt the advanced sides of the West just like Westerners adopted the advanced sides of the East hundreds of years ago?
I think that's what's happening right now and there you go again with the ancient past.
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Totally different from European culture? Have you been down to Taksim square lately?
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Yes Taksim is quite European just like most of Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir is. But Turkey is not made up of 3 cities! Last time i saw Nevþehir, Kars, Þýrnak, Artvin, Hakkari, Denizli, Gümüþhane, Yozgat, Karabük, Sivas, Bilecik, Bingöl, Amasya, Diyarbakýr etc it didn't look at all European to me, wouldn't you agree???
Of course I agree. The cities you described are inhabited mostly by kurds. Now why the hell would I want to invest my hard earned money into that region when I may get pulled over by the PKK and shot? They rebelled and brought it on themselves. Moreover, the last time I checked, there was full freedom of movement in Turkey. People can move to whatever city they choose. It's not my fault nor do I care that the Kurds chose to live in the stone age. If they put their weapons down I would support talks. Not at gun point.
Please don't live in the Istanbul-Ankara-Izmir bubble, it doesn't represent the reality. Try living in Erzincan for a week, then we'll see if you feel European or not... |
I don't live in any such bubble. I live in the United States. The reality you speak of is a Kurdish reality. The PKK oppress their own people and force their own people to live under those conditions. Not I.
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Absolutely not. It was our war of independence and it should be celebrated just as any other nation celebrates their independence. You're talking about two different things.
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The 29th of May is the day Istanbul was conquered not our independence day, we don't even have any independence day cause we never lived under foreigners domination.
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| I called it as I saw it. I used to be hardcore as well. So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are that it is a duck. |
Your still being prejudice.
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| I never said that I hated the Ottoman Empire. On the contrary, I enjoy reading about our PAST. But that's exactly what it is...the past. If Turkey is to prosper and be integrated into the world we can not rely on our past or exist in past glories like when we sacked Constantinople in 1453. |
No one said "live in the past" you asked if i was an Ottoman or Kemalist and i said there just different stages of Turkish history. So i don't have a clue on what your talking about...
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I think you're paranoid. Who is denying their origins? If you prefer to live in squalor that is your choice.
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So preferring to be loyal to my origins is living in squalor?
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| Of course I agree. The cities you described are inhabited mostly by kurds. |
Do you even have the slightest clue on Turkey. What does Nevşehir, Artvin, Denizli, Gümüşhane, Yozgat, Karabük, Bilecik, Amasya have to do with kurds??? There all non-European, Eastern cities that are 90% Turkish populated so don't play the kurdish card. Matter of fact except Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir nearly all the rest of Turkey is non-European and Eastern...
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| Now why the hell would I want to invest my hard earned money into that region when I may get pulled over by the PKK and shot? |
kurds don't even make up 1% of the population in Karadeniz but still it's Eastern and has nothing at all to do with Europe. So what the hell does PKK have to do with anything???
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| Moreover, the last time I checked, there was full freedom of movement in Turkey. People can move to whatever city they choose. It's not my fault nor do I care that the Kurds chose to live in the stone age. |
Except Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir the whole country is living in the stone ages, what the hell are you talking about?
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I don't live in any such bubble. I live in the United States. The reality you speak of is a Kurdish reality. The PKK oppress their own people and force their own people to live under those conditions. Not I.
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You don't have the slightest clue on whats going on in Turkey, do you? |
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| You don't have the slightest clue on whats going on in Turkey, do you? |
Hi 1453 ,
Rather than belittle someone who is obviousley trying to debate with you why not instead educate us all in 'whats going in in Turkey', i personally have travelled around many parts of Turkey and always found one area to another completely different, but that said apart from this year when i went to 'antalya' which is rapidly changing i am not sure how the rest of turkey is doing, so please enlighten us all as we are here to learn. |
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Hi 1453 ,
Rather than belittle someone who is obviousley trying to debate with you why not instead educate us all in 'whats going in in Turkey', i personally have travelled around many parts of Turkey and always found one area to another completely different, but that said apart from this year when i went to 'antalya' which is rapidly changing i am not sure how the rest of turkey is doing, so please enlighten us all as we are here to learn. |
I'm sorry if you or others thought i was looking down on 2fan but thats not the case. I was just angry at the fact that 2fan was making comments on Turkey when he doesn't know exactly whats going on in this country. People think by giving Eastern Anatolia to kurds the problems of this country are going to be solved, this is just a superficial suggestion that won't solve anything. Whether we like it or not kurds are everywhere, kurds are our doctors, our postmans, our ministers, our farmers, our neighbours. Not all kurds support PKK but a significant amount of kurds do support PKK. In a situation like this what are we to do? Living in Turkey is harder then it was before 2003, every things changed. Yesterday a man and his wife got beaten up on the street cause they opened up a Turkish flag in public. So as you can see this country is in serious trouble, the last thing we need is people that don't know whats happening giving us advice. Hope you get why i was aggressive... |
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Hi 1453 ,
Rather than belittle someone who is obviousley trying to debate with you why not instead educate us all in 'whats going in in Turkey', i personally have travelled around many parts of Turkey and always found one area to another completely different, but that said apart from this year when i went to 'antalya' which is rapidly changing i am not sure how the rest of turkey is doing, so please enlighten us all as we are here to learn. |
I'm sorry if you or others thought i was looking down on 2fan but thats not the case. I was just angry at the fact that 2fan was making comments on Turkey when he doesn't know exactly whats going on in this country. People think by giving Eastern Anatolia to kurds the problems of this country are going to be solved, this is just a superficial suggestion that won't solve anything. Whether we like it or not kurds are everywhere, kurds are our doctors, our postmans, our ministers, our farmers, our neighbours. Not all kurds support PKK but a significant amount of kurds do support PKK. In a situation like this what are we to do? Living in Turkey is harder then it was before 2003, every things changed. Yesterday a man and his wife got beaten up on the street cause they opened up a Turkish flag in public. So as you can see this country is in serious trouble, the last thing we need is people that don't know whats happening giving us advice. Hope you get why i was aggressive... |
I understand where you are coming from but still tell us what is going on in turkey.
You said a man and his wife were beaten for opening a flag, in what area did this happen? are the people o.k? why did people feel the need to beat them? etc.
Are there many incidents happening?
What other problems are being encontered?
Is the public in turkey starting to segregate?
Are there fractions occuring?
I personally want to learn what is going on in turkey at grass roots level not what the media and politicians want to feed us.
So would you mind telling me whats going on. |
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Absolutely not. It was our war of independence and it should be celebrated just as any other nation celebrates their independence. You're talking about two different things.
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The 29th of May is the day Istanbul was conquered not our independence day, we don't even have any independence day cause we never lived under foreigners domination.
You don't consider French, British, Italian and Greek invasion an occupational force?
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/bayram.htm
sorry for the edit but I forgot to add the website 
Official holidays
Jan 1: New Year's Day
National holidays
Apr 23: National Sovereignty and Children's Day (anniversary of the establishment of Turkish Grand National Assembly)
May 19: Atatürk Commemoration and Youth & Sports Day ( the arrival of Atatürk in Samsun, and the beginning of the War of Independence)
Aug 30: Victory Day (victory over invading forces in 1922).
Oct 29: Republic Day (anniversary of the declaration of the Turkish Republic)
I would appreciate it if you could post a website that describes our May 29th Holliday of sacking Constantinople.
Religious holidays
Seker Bayrami:Three-day festival when sweets are eaten to celebrate the end of the fast of Ramadan.
Kurban Bayrami: Four-day festival when sacrificial sheep are slaughtered and their meat distributed to the poor.
The dates of these religious festivals change according to the Muslim lunar calendar an thus occur 10-11 days (exact difference between Gregorian and Lunar calendars is 10 days and 21 hrs) earlier each year. According to this;
Seker Bayrami will be celebrated on 3-4-5 November 2005, and 23-24-25 October 2006, and 12-13-14 October 2007, and 30 September-1-2 October 2008.
Kurban Bayrami will be celebrated on 20-21-22-23 January 2005, and 10-11-12-13 January 2006, and 31 December 2006-1-2-3 January 2007, and 20-21-22-23 December 2007, and 8-9-10-11 December 2008.
As you can notice, there are two Kurban Bayrami dates in 2007, it's not a mistake but it happens every 32 years. Same with Seker Bayrami but it happened in 2000 and won't happen again until 2032.
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| I called it as I saw it. I used to be hardcore as well. So if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck chances are that it is a duck. |
Your still being prejudice.
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| I never said that I hated the Ottoman Empire. On the contrary, I enjoy reading about our PAST. But that's exactly what it is...the past. If Turkey is to prosper and be integrated into the world we can not rely on our past or exist in past glories like when we sacked Constantinople in 1453. |
No one said "live in the past" you asked if i was an Ottoman or Kemalist and i said there just different stages of Turkish history. So i don't have a clue on what your talking about...
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I think you're paranoid. Who is denying their origins? If you prefer to live in squalor that is your choice.
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So preferring to be loyal to my origins is living in squalor?
You're twisting my words.
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| Of course I agree. The cities you described are inhabited mostly by kurds. |
Do you even have the slightest clue on Turkey. What does Nevºehir, Artvin, Denizli, Gümüºhane, Yozgat, Karabük, Bilecik, Amasya have to do with kurds??? There all non-European, Eastern cities that are 90% Turkish populated so don't play the kurdish card. Matter of fact except Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir nearly all the rest of Turkey is non-European and Eastern...
You had also posted Sirnak, bingol, Diyerbakir etc..etc..
Where did I claim that all of Turkey was European?
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| Now why the hell would I want to invest my hard earned money into that region when I may get pulled over by the PKK and shot? |
kurds don't even make up 1% of the population in Karadeniz but still it's Eastern and has nothing at all to do with Europe. So what the hell does PKK have to do with anything???
EVERYTHING!
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| Moreover, the last time I checked, there was full freedom of movement in Turkey. People can move to whatever city they choose. It's not my fault nor do I care that the Kurds chose to live in the stone age. |
Except Istanbul, Ankara and Izmir the whole country is living in the stone ages, what the hell are you talking about?
Obviously you havn't been to Mersin, Adana the agean coast, the marmara coast, the med coast.The transformation of those areas for just the last two years have been amazing to say the least. You should travel your country more often.
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I don't live in any such bubble. I live in the United States. The reality you speak of is a Kurdish reality. The PKK oppress their own people and force their own people to live under those conditions. Not I.
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You don't have the slightest clue on whats going on in Turkey, do you? |
I don't appreciate you attacking my credibility.
Look, I really do not care to continue this thread with you any longer. I will say this on the matter. I do not hate Kurds, I understand that they are scholars, doctors and mainstream people. I hate the PKK for what they have done to southeastern Turkey and what they have done to their own people and to investment to that region. Can you fathom this? Further more I am not stating that Turkey is European I am saying it needs to be European. And if I feel westernized that should not be your concern.
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Hi 1453 ,
Rather than belittle someone who is obviousley trying to debate with you why not instead educate us all in 'whats going in in Turkey', i personally have travelled around many parts of Turkey and always found one area to another completely different, but that said apart from this year when i went to 'antalya' which is rapidly changing i am not sure how the rest of turkey is doing, so please enlighten us all as we are here to learn. |
I'm sorry if you or others thought i was looking down on 2fan but thats not the case. I was just angry at the fact that 2fan was making comments on Turkey when he doesn't know exactly whats going on in this country. People think by giving Eastern Anatolia to kurds the problems of this country are going to be solved, this is just a superficial suggestion that won't solve anything.
Quote my post where state that I would be willing to cede one square inch of Turkish soil to the kurds. If that day came I would volunteer for the Turkish Military.
Whether we like it or not kurds are everywhere, kurds are our doctors, our postmans, our ministers, our farmers, our neighbours. Not all kurds support PKK but a significant amount of kurds do support PKK. In a situation like this what are we to do? Living in Turkey is harder then it was before 2003, every things changed. Yesterday a man and his wife got beaten up on the street cause they opened up a Turkish flag in public.
Do you know who beat these people?
So as you can see this country is in serious trouble, the last thing we need is people that don't know whats happening giving us advice. Hope you get why i was aggressive... |
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First of all i'll start with telling you all whats happening, the truth the Turkish and foreign media is trying to hide. I'll start with today, today these events took place in my country;
Bozüyük
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2870/bilecik27wj.jpg
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/6105/bilecik34bw.jpg
Van;
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/1873/van13zg.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9645/van31im.jpg
Diyarbakır;
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4471/diyarbakir38eo.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2641/diyarbakir44ma.jpg
Mersin;
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1102/mersin12sq.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/4217/mersin28ry.jpg
"Yes" this is Turkey not Palestine and it all happened today. Yesterday we lived the same and tomorrow again we're going to live the same, the media is acting as if it's unimportant but the truth is civil war is at the door. The sad part is the terrorists and there sympathizers know what there doing but the Turkish goverment has no clue on what next to do...
Till 2003 terrorists weren't allowed to protest but after the EU started pressuring Turkey for "freedom of speech" terrorists started protesting on the streets day and night. They vandalize, through rocks and burn down whatever they find, the police just watch but never intervene cause our goverment strictly forbids that cause it's afraid the EU won't start negotiations with Turkey if we somehow upset kurds. But everything changed in March 2005 when a kurdish protester burnt a Turkish flag during one of the protests, after that Turkish civilians started fighting back at kurds whenever they started protesting, burning or vandalizing our cities. Since then tens of civilians have killed each other and many protesters have been lynched. kurds have been polluting Turkish cities since the 80's, all the thiefs, rapists, beggars, killers and terrorists in our streets are kurdish. Cause Turks believed that kurds were our brothers we always avoided generalizing and always avoided pointing the finger at them but now we're fed up. kurdish terrorists killed 33 000 innocent Turks but we never did anything back to kurds cause we always assumed it was a small minority that supported PKK but after 2003 our opinion changed we all saw it's not a small minority. What i'm trying to say is the kurdish problem is not the goverments problem anymore it's a national problem that effects us all in our daily life...
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You said a man and his wife were beaten for opening a flag, in what area did this happen? are the people o.k? why did people feel the need to beat them? etc.
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It happened yesterday in Istanbul when kurds were protesting a man and his wife took out a Turkish flag to protest the kurds that were vandalizing. Of course then the angry mob beat them up. I gave this example to show you how serious the situation is, a Turk gets beaten up in Turkey for taking out a Turkish flag.
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Theres protests nearly every day, at least a couple times a week. Most of them end with blood being spilled.
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| Is the public in turkey starting to segregate? |
Yes, theres a clear division between Turks and kurds. Before a kurd couldn't openly say he supported PKK but today he can, before when a kurd raped a girl we'd say "what a sick guy" but today when a kurd rapes a girl we try to lynch all the kurds in the neighbourhood. Before a Turk could take out a Turkish flag out in any part of Turkey but today thats not possible... |
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You don't consider French, British, Italian and Greek invasion an occupational force?
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Turks went from the Ottoman Empire to the Republic of Turkey, we were never ruled by foreigners. Who did we gain independence from? The Ottomans?
What your talking about is war, though Istanbul, Antalya, Trabzon etc was invaded by foreigners there was a independent state in Istanbul and even a 2nd one in Ankara. We call it "kurtuluş savaşı" not "bağımsızlık savaşı"...
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| I would appreciate it if you could post a website that describes our May 29th Holliday of sacking Constantinople. |
What do you mean sacking? If your talking about the conquest of Istanbul then ofcourse i'll prove to you that we celebrate it every year.
http://www.sabah.com.tr/2005/05/29/gun00.html
http://www.ntv.com.tr/news/272009.asp
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Obviously you havn't been to Mersin, Adana the agean coast, the marmara coast, the med coast.The transformation of those areas for just the last two years have been amazing to say the least. You should travel your country more often.
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I've been all over Turkey cause of my fathers job thats why i talk so confidently about Turkey. Also i've been to Mersin and Adana many times, yes theres beautiful rich neighbourhoods but 2 blocks away is all ghettos. Also touristic places are for tourists the majority of Turks don't live in those kind of places...
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don't appreciate you attacking my credibility.
Look, I really do not care to continue this thread with you any longer. I will say this on the matter. I do not hate Kurds, I understand that they are scholars, doctors and mainstream people. I hate the PKK for what they have done to southeastern Turkey and what they have done to their own people and to investment to that region. Can you fathom this?
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You misunderstood me, i hate kurds with passion but dealing with them is a lot harder then most assume and thats what pisses me off.
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Further more I am not stating that Turkey is European I am saying it needs to be European. And if I feel westernized that should not be your concern. |
Your free to feel what ever you want of course it's not my concern. |
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1453,
I can see that you are genuinely affected by these events and my heart goes out to you and our fellow country men.
Do you think that once these kurds get tired of using their freedom of speech and to assemble the violence will decrease?
One last thing about your screen name and I shall forever hold my tongue. If I were Greek I would be sad to see that date. I don't want anyone to feel badly on this forum. So please consider this for me kardesim.
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1453,
I can see that you are genuinely affected by these events and my heart goes out to you and our fellow country men.
Do you think that once these kurds get tired of using their freedom of speech and to assemble the violence will decrease?
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Thank you, i too feel all the pain our people are suffering. About the question, no i don't think kurds will get tired actually there gaining power as it goes. I really don't know how this problem is ever going to be solved, we need to act smart and fast...
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One last thing about your screen name and I shall forever hold my tongue. If I were Greek I would be sad to see that date. I don't want anyone to feel badly on this forum. So please consider this for me kardesim.
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Fine i'll change my name but i still don't get why it bothers you. How do i change my name? Do i have to apply again? |
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erolz
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| Fine i'll change my name but i still don't get why it bothers you. How do i change my name? Do i have to apply again? |
Just send me a PM saying what you want your new name to be and I will change it (only admins can change users names) |
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| Thank you Erolz. You're a good man. |
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