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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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Kifeas,
How reliable were those reports of sightings in Turkey?
It defies logic that these people would be kept in prison for 10 years,just in case they became useful in experiments some time in the future.
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Bir, I am also skeptical about such a possibility, as it is not the most logical thing to expect, especially after so many years since they were taken hostages.
On the other hand though, it is a fact that a small number of Greek Cypriots (up to 9 persons I believe) were identified by their relatives from photos and films during public gatherings in the yards of Turkish prisons, together with other Greek Cypriot hostages (filming I believe were done by red cross or some other international organization,) plus from testimonies of other released Greek Cypriot hostages that happened to know these people and who at some stage(s) they have talked to them or saluted each other, but whose whereabouts they lost later and who are now still on the missing lists. If such information was staged by the Republic of Cyprus for mere propaganda reasons, it would have at least involved a much larger number of people, instead of just only about 9 cases, therefore I tend to believe that indeed a small number of prisoners did not make it back to Cyprus. I mean, what can one say to a mother and a sister that see a video film or a photo and say this one third person on the line form the left is my son, or to someone from XYZ village that says he saw and talked to ABC person from the same village with him, in the yard of the same prison he was kept in Turkey?
They may as well have died at some stage during their captivity in Turkey under any possible circumstances, and the Turkish authorities were afraid to disclose it so that they would not be accused and held responsible, but they may as well have been separated from the rest and kept alive to be used as a last resort, in case there would appear similar cases of non-disclosed or non-released hostages on the part of the Greek Cypriots, or for other extortion /blackmail related purposes. |
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zan
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Joined: 31 Dec 2005
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| I have no idea if any of these stories are true but I have to ask the question, even though I know I am going to get my ear chewed off, could any of those missing have been traitors. Could they have defected and could not return. We have to look at all possibilities. I am not trying to take any thing away from the original question. |
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cypezokyli
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ehm, i would be carefull when making such comments. some people have relatives missing.
no traitor was punished. some very few persons went to jail (like sampson for example) . in general they all received an amnesty. |
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repulsewarrior
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Location: a cypriot in canada
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I have come to believe that my six relatives were murdered for their land. Plain and simple, someone or some body came, and took them away, to a jail; they were never heard from again. We who stayed, because we believed, were most likely freinds to our neighbours, peace loving, in a neighbourhood, long established for over 250 years, were taken from our homes, all of us were made to leave.
Now, our village, like many in the south, gather for a fair, books are sold, and the music that we love is played. Many fairs like this one pass each year. Hoping that decency will win out hatred and greed is a way of life for some of us who are waiting, to sleep under the trees with their history of grace, or to bathe from the water of our wells so sweet.
Anyway speaking cynically, do the math...a poulation of 80,000 living in a state of panic...1% of the population are Grey wolfs with cold blood and a desire through crime they fulfil... equal 800... so statistically calculate how in the panic, how in the larger design, what kind of population is aware of these crimes and whose opportunities were enlarged by the events that were started by the use of Turkish troops, for the expulsion of any resident that was not "Turkish". It is appalling and a disgrace. Mr. B. (and Mr B.), I know your pain.
Let's pray that it doesn't go that far...but it does not surprise me...in this Modern world. |
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Kifeas
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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cypezokyli
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100%cypriot
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The experiments had been witnessed by Kurds who had themselves managed to escape.
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That says it all for the validity of the eye witness statements |
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De_La_Soul
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| That says it all for the validity of the eye witness statements |
That says it all that your name '100% Cypriot' is a total deception.
Your another narrow minded Turk who refuses to accept what the rest of the middle east see's in the ethics of the people who run the Turkish state. |
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Mete
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Your another narrow minded Turk
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Damn these brain-washed narrow-minded Turks! Right De La Soul? |
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De_La_Soul
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| Damn these brain-washed narrow-minded Turks! Right De La Soul? |
Thats right...if you would think with some common sense instead of nationalist sense...then maybe the rest of hte middle east would stop thinking that most Turks are f****d in the head. |
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zan
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| Damn these brain-washed narrow-minded Turks! Right De La Soul? |
Thats right...if you would think with some common sense instead of nationalist sense...then maybe the rest of hte middle east would stop thinking that most Turks are f****d in the head. |
Hey! We earned that right all OVER the world not just the middle east. It's alright though because ganja makes you a bit moody and you can't always see straight. |
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turkkan
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| Thats right...if you would think with some common sense instead of nationalist sense...then maybe the rest of hte middle east would stop thinking that most Turks are f****d in the head. |
When you say middle east who are you speaking about? Syria, iraq, lebanon, egypt, or youre goodfirends in libya? All level headed countries and models of democracy and human rights btw. Keep up the good arguments.
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zan
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| Thats right...if you would think with some common sense instead of nationalist sense...then maybe the rest of hte middle east would stop thinking that most Turks are f****d in the head. |
When you say middle east who are you speaking about? Syria, iraq, lebanon, egypt, or youre goodfirends in libya? All level headed countries and models of democracy and human rights btw. Keep up the good arguments.
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De_La_Soul
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| Hey! We earned that right all OVER the world not just the middle east. It's alright though because ganja makes you a bit moody and you can't always see straight. |
I dont smoke the sensi.
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| When you say middle east who are you speaking about? Syria, iraq, lebanon, egypt, or youre goodfirends in libya? All level headed countries and models of democracy and human rights btw. Keep up the good arguments. |
I know Arabs, Persians and Iraqi's who all say the same thing. You know full well yourself the average Turkish person has higher or even warped sense of nationalism within but refuse to admit it.
I dont know any other people who would jump about on the street and wave their Turkish flags after a 0-0 draw with Greece...because seeing thousands of Greeks on the streets a few months earlier waving their Greek flags after the Euro Champs win burned them inside so much. |
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turkkan
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| I know Arabs, Persians and Iraqi's who all say the same thing. You know full well yourself the average Turkish person has higher or even warped sense of nationalism within but refuse to admit it. |
The above says so much about you. Iran at this moment has good relations with turkey, and since youre going to give examples of friends, i have plenty of iranian and arab friends who love turkey, and try and visit it as often as they can. iranians from iran go to turkey in masses each year because of the freedoms enjoyed there, the beaches etc. You make assumptions really based on nothing, besides what kind of a moron concludes national sentiments by speaking to a few friends?
Second, iran and the arabs are not nationalists? You ever heard of baathism in the arab countries? As for iranians, they are willing to go against the whole world so that they can acquire nuclear weapons. Are you so blind?
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I dont know any other people who would jump about on the street and wave their Turkish flags after a 0-0 draw with Greece...because seeing thousands of Greeks on the streets a few months earlier waving their Greek flags after the Euro Champs win burned them inside so much. |
The only thing burning is obviously you. The average turk couldnt give a crap taht greece won the Euro champ, we really dont give two cents about you, get that into youre head. You are the ones who seem to be obssesed with us. Besides, we have been gowing around with flags for several decades now after matches, did you honestly think that we started celebrating football after we saw you celebrating and we got jealous? Are you actually so thick? You really have outdone yourself with the above analysis. The elderley in my local kafenio come up with more credible opinions than youres. |
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