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cannedmoose
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Missing along with two others on the plane... it's horrible to say it but they may have literally shattered on contact and may never be found. Many from 9/11 were never found due to similar reasons.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cannedmoose wrote:
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=21486&archive=1

Hopefully this young man will get the recognition his actions deserved...


What I haven't understood is: How come this young man only tried to take control of the plane during the last 15 minutes of the flight?

The only explanation I can think of is that he was unconscious for about 2 hours, and only came to his senses when the F16s made their first fly-by at 11.25am.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alexandros Lordos wrote:
cannedmoose wrote:
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=21486&archive=1

Hopefully this young man will get the recognition his actions deserved...


What I haven't understood is: How come this young man only tried to take control of the plane during the last 15 minutes of the flight?

The only explanation I can think of is that he was unconscious for about 2 hours, and only came to his senses when the F16s made their first fly-by at 11.25am.


That's what doesn't make sense to me either Alex. Given that he was a pilot-in-training he was certainly the only hope the plane had once the pilots were incapacitated. It would be unlikely for someone to emerge from hypoxia, particularly when also frozen for over an hour and then have enough sense to attempt flying an aircraft.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This whole thing stinks to high heaven and will we ever find out the truth, i don't think so. Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:50 am    Post subject: Not good company... Reply with quote

Cyprus in air safety spotlight
By George Psyllides

ICAO audits ‘placed island in bottom 30 in the world’

CYPRUS ranked among the 30 most criticised countries in ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) audit programmes carried out in 111 countries between 1998 and 2004, according to a French Parliamentary report on airline safety.

The French report, published in July 2004, was the result of a fact-finding mission on airline safety carried out by French MP Odile Saugues; it received little attention until Le Monde picked up the story this week in the wake of the Helios and Venezuela air crashes last week.

The list of 30 countries was: Albania, Mali, Belize, Mongolia, Belarus, Mozambique, Botswana, Myanmar, Burkina Faso, Niger, Cambodia, Uganda, Cameroon, Palau (Pacific Ocean) Papua New Guinea, Cyprus, Croatia, Portugal, Ghana, Russia, Guyana, Samoa, Hungary, Senegal, Kenya, Togo, Laos, Tonga, FYROM, Vanuatu (Pacific Ocean).

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2005

Full story at:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=21513&archive=1
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

surprised Portugal are in there. Tunisia needs to be put in that list.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Giorgio wrote:
surprised Portugal are in there. Tunisia needs to be put in that list.


Having flown TAP, I'm hardly surprised Portugal are in there... Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Not good company... Reply with quote

cannedmoose wrote:
Cyprus in air safety spotlight
By George Psyllides

ICAO audits ‘placed island in bottom 30 in the world’

CYPRUS ranked among the 30 most criticised countries in ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) audit programmes carried out in 111 countries between 1998 and 2004, according to a French Parliamentary report on airline safety.

The French report, published in July 2004, was the result of a fact-finding mission on airline safety carried out by French MP Odile Saugues; it received little attention until Le Monde picked up the story this week in the wake of the Helios and Venezuela air crashes last week.

The list of 30 countries was: Albania, Mali, Belize, Mongolia, Belarus, Mozambique, Botswana, Myanmar, Burkina Faso, Niger, Cambodia, Uganda, Cameroon, Palau (Pacific Ocean) Papua New Guinea, Cyprus, Croatia, Portugal, Ghana, Russia, Guyana, Samoa, Hungary, Senegal, Kenya, Togo, Laos, Tonga, FYROM, Vanuatu (Pacific Ocean).

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2005

Full story at:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=21513&archive=1


On the contrary i remember that Cyprus Airways used to be one of the best carriers in Europe in terms of safety.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats what i heard too, yiannis.

this whole Helios thing is very mysterious.... my uncle knows one of the pilots who train with helios or sumet, and he says they must have known about depressurization etc... ther is a whole catalogue of failures, something must be suspicious i think. Something happend in that plane, and i think we are never oing to kno.

Also, about the dissappearance of the pilots, i think they must have been sucked out of the plane or something? its really hard to try to understand
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If the pilots were sucked out of the plane how did the steward manage to get in there and try to call help, makes no sense.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't remember where I read this, but yesterday I saw a quite convincing account of what may have occurred. The article said that the plane in question had been in for maintenance the day before, during which the engineers had disabled the auto-pressurisation switch. During the pre-flight check, this must have been missed, therefore the pressurisation system was left on manual at take-off and would have required the pilots to adjust the pressure and temperature manually as they climbed.

As a result, as they ascended, pressure would have gradually dropped inside the aircraft and would have made the pilots less responsive to their environment and ultimately to lose consciousness. Since the pilots do not have the same drop-down masks, it is entirely possible that they lost consciousness just as the passengers masks were dropping.

What isn't entirely explainable is why the cabin crew did not enter the cockpit at this time, and why the pilots did not respond to warning alarms which must have indicated dropping pressure. Nonetheless, it's one of the more convincing theories I've heard so far.

Still, it remains speculation until the results of the official inquiry emerge.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

brother wrote:
If the pilots were sucked out of the plane how did the steward manage to get in there and try to call help, makes no sense.


Plus, the F-16 pilots would have seen a gaping hole in the cockpit had this happened.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Plus, the F-16 pilots would have seen a gaping hole in the cockpit had this happened.


Exactly my point.


Someone else i was talking too made a new conspiracy theory that the helios company staged it so the plane would crash and they could claim on the insurance etc.

Does that sound believable or is it unconcievable.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No... Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Not good company... Reply with quote

cannedmoose wrote:
Cyprus in air safety spotlight
By George Psyllides

ICAO audits ‘placed island in bottom 30 in the world’

CYPRUS ranked among the 30 most criticised countries in ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) audit programmes carried out in 111 countries between 1998 and 2004, according to a French Parliamentary report on airline safety.

The French report, published in July 2004, was the result of a fact-finding mission on airline safety carried out by French MP Odile Saugues; it received little attention until Le Monde picked up the story this week in the wake of the Helios and Venezuela air crashes last week.

The list of 30 countries was: Albania, Mali, Belize, Mongolia, Belarus, Mozambique, Botswana, Myanmar, Burkina Faso, Niger, Cambodia, Uganda, Cameroon, Palau (Pacific Ocean) Papua New Guinea, Cyprus, Croatia, Portugal, Ghana, Russia, Guyana, Samoa, Hungary, Senegal, Kenya, Togo, Laos, Tonga, FYROM, Vanuatu (Pacific Ocean).

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2005

Full story at:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=21513&archive=1



where can i find the whole list? i wonder where we are.
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