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stavrizatz
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Mete wrote:
Listen, Kifeas...If Greek Cypriots were such law abiding people, they would not choose to live with murderers of Dohni, OK?
If you can explain to me how the Turkish Cypriots choose to live with murderers among them in the north -and you also have plenty of them, then I will also be able to explain to you the opposite. And do not tell me that you are not claiming that the Turkish Cypriots are law abiding people, because your friend Erol does! |
Good point by Kifeas
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| How can you claim with a straight face that "The Republic of Cyprus did not ignore its constitution" when your side wanted to get rid of the many vital parts of the constitution that maintained the balance between the two communities only 3 years after they were accepted? |
It is an illusion that the constitution maintained the balance. In fact some of the proposals were not related to the Turkish-Cypriot rights. Please read them again and the comments for each one.
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| If Republic of Cyprus cared about its Turkish Cypriot citizens, it would have asked those Turkish Cypriots to return back. |
In fact Republic of Cyprus officially did care and some Turkish Cypriots returned back to their villages. You have to accept that at the time there was nationalism and fanaticism in both communities and violence was not a result of Greek Cypriot violence alone. Republic of Cyprus is asking Turkish Cypriots to return back today as well. The problem is not essentially bi-communal but between Republic of Cyprus and Turkey. |
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erolz
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| What you had were two factions both historicaly comitted to Enosis. By 1970 they differed in their means and timescales and opinions of what was achievable, but to say that Makarios had given up on Enosis and all the statments he made in public repeatedly to the contrary were 'nonsesne slogans' and the Turkish Cypriot community should have seen them as such (esp given how he _behaved_ towards the Turkish Cypriot community and their constituional rights under the 60's agreements) is the real nonsense here. |
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zan
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"Makarios is a sly fellow. His mouth drips honey while his hands drip blood"
Now I am confused, was it a Greek Cypriot or a Turkish Cypriot that said the above.   |
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Mete
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Location: Boston
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I suppose you do not find Erol’s one-sided comments (above) an attempt to load all the blame on the Greek Cypriots for the situation we are in today! And this just one small example out of the hundreds of such posts made by Erol in the forum, in all of which he is trying transfer the entire load of the blame on the Greek Cypriots for he thinks happened before 74, so that he justifies and moralises the present and for 32 years continuing illegalities and violations by Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot leadership in Cyprus! I have never seen you though tell him off, for what he is trying to do.
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How is that quote of Erol one sided? He simply points out some illegalities committed by Greek Cypriots. Pointing out Greek Cypriot illegalities doesn't mean that he's blaming Greek Cypriots for everything. I've heard him many times where he blamed Turkish Cypriots for their illegalities as well. Anyway, I don't know why you keep bringing up what Erol thinks and how I respond or not respond to him.
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If you can explain to me how the Turkish Cypriots choose to live with murderers among them in the north -and you also have plenty of them, then I will also be able to explain to you the opposite. And do not tell me that you are not claiming that the Turkish Cypriots are law abiding people, because your friend Erol does!
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Listen, if you're not going to respond to my views, then don't respond at all. Now, if you happen to care about my views, I know that there are murderers in the north and I never claimed that Turkish Cypriots are law abiding people. I happen to think that Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots only care about their own communities and they believe in democracy and human rights when it suits them.
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In early 1968, the Greek Cypriot side started negotiating with the Turkish Cypriot leadership for a new agreement that would re-integrate the Turkish Cypriots back into the Republic of Cyprus, (parliament, government, civil service, etc,) and also grand them internal regional autonomy in several areas around Cyprus which they were populating by majority.
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What you're referring to is NOT reintegrating Turkish Cypriots back into the Republic of Cyprus but more like reducing Turkish Cypriot rights in the Republic of Cyprus in return of internal regional autonomy. Denktash actually accepted this idea in a letter to Klerides in 1974. Anyway, I'm not talking about 1960s. I'm talking about today. I never heard any Greek Cypriot president to officially ask Turkish Cypriots to return back to the Republic of Cyprus. I never heard any Greek Cypriot politician to suggest a Cypriot national anthem.
The fact is you don't care about us and we don't care about you but you have what we need (an internationally recognized proper state) and we have what you need (land). The difference is you guys claim to care about us to the whole world when both you and we know that it's not true. |
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Mete
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Those were nonsense slogans that Makarios was throwing out occasionally, in order to fool around and pacify the pro-enosists of Eoka B’ and the junta officer
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And Turkish Cypriots were supposed to hear the "president" of the Republic of Cyprus with those "nonsense" slogans and feel safe enough to return back to the Republic of Cyprus? It's all that evil TMT that prevented Turkish Cypriots from returning back to Republic of Cyprus when Makarios was waiting for them with arms wide open! |
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100%cypriot
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More disturbing comments coming out of the Tpap Gov Spokesman
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Cypriot Government Spokesman Christodoulos Pashiardis said on Thursday that the government`s aim was and remains that by November 8, when the European Commission`s progress report on Turkey is to be tabled, none of the 34 remaining chapters in Turkey`s EU accession negotiations would be opened.
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Dhavlos
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i looked on the press and info office of the Republic of Cyprus, and the actaul quote is as follows:
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Government Spokesman - Turkey's accession course
“Our aim was and still remains that we will not accept the opening of any of the remaining 34 Chapters which relate to Turkey’s accession course, at least until the 8th of November, the date in which the Progress Report on Turkey’s EU accession course is expected to be submitted.” The Government Spokesman Mr Christodoulos Pasiardis stated the above, replying to a question today on whether there was anything new on the opening of the chapters on Turkey and more specifically in relation to the chapter on Industry. “As you know the chapter on the Industrial Policy, through the direct intervention of the Representations of Greece and Cyprus, will not be submitted today before COREPER”, he added. Replying to a question on whether the Government will decide if it will allow the opening of the other chapters, Mr Pasiardis said: “It will depend, not simply on what the report will point out, but it will also depend on the possible suggestions that the European Commission will submit.” - 12.10.2006 |
http://www.moi.gov.cy/moi/pio/pio.nsf/index_en/index_en?opendocument
so its a case of wait and see, rather tahn, 'no we will block all chapters'....
seems the papers have twisted it a bit... |
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100%cypriot
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If they do use that veto right it will be a grave mistake and will effect all of us Turkish & Greek Cypriots.
Piece by DENIS MACSHANE British Foreign Office Undersecretary for European Affairs
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As for Turkey’s EU membership process, he warned that the exclusion of Turkey from the Union would be a very dangerous game, adding that Ankara can no longer express a stronger wish for membership.
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http://www.brt.gov.nc.tr/ENews/2006/102006/121006/INGILIZ%20MUSTESAR%20ACIKLAMA.htm |
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