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zan
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| De_La_Soul wrote: |
| ...intervened, raped, murdered, ethnically cleansed, invaded and occupied you mean? |
Yes! The intervention stopped all those things.  |
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De_La_Soul
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your one sick blinded fool.
no wonder why so many different nations hate the Turks. Your the Millwall of world politics. |
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Kifeas
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The Republic of Cyprus did not ignore its constitution (proof is the fact that the same constitution remains unchanged since 1960,) it did not set up illegal bands but only a militia, out of necessity, in order to defend itself and its territorial integrity from the Turkish Cypriot mutiny in 1963/64, and it did not plot to secretly and illegally remove the Turkish Cypriot community’s constitutional rights. All the Republic of Cyprus did was to defend itself out of necessity from the Turkish Cypriot mutiny and the conspiracy they were plotting with Turkey to invade, ethnically cleanse and occupy a substantial part of its territory.
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You're basically saying that everything is our fault and your side did illegal things "out of necessity" whatever the hell that means. If you weren't ashamed, you would claim that coup was organized by Turks as well.
Do you really believe that we'll get anywhere in this forum by putting all the blame on one side? If you really believe that our side is the only one to blame, then leave the forum. Do something else, go and drink with you ex EOKA-B buddies and make plans on how to drive the evil Turks out of your beloved country. |
Hello Mete, Good morning! I suppose you have just woken up! You are right! We are not getting anywhere in this forum …but, don’t you think you should have asked the above same questions from your friend Erol, long-long time ago? I do think so! Don't you? |
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zan
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| De_La_Soul wrote: |
your one sick blinded fool.
no wonder why so many different nations hate the Turks. Your the Millwall of world politics. |
And you sir are the Acrington Stanley.
1-0 to Millwall.  |
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De_La_Soul
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haha...who's in the EU and who's knocking on the door trying to get in.
1-0 to the Arsenal mate. |
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zan
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haha...who's in the EU and who's knocking on the door trying to get in.
1-0 to the Arsenal mate. |
We are just waiting for a rich Jewish American to help us into the premiership.  |
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De_La_Soul
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| At least you admited it and not trying to pretend the Turkish government any kinds of morals. |
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Mete
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Hello Mete, Good morning! I suppose you have just woken up! You are right! We are not getting anywhere in this forum …but, don’t you think you should have asked the above same questions from your friend Erol, long-long time ago? I do think so! Don't you?
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I don't know what this has to do with anything but to give you an answer, I never remember Erol to put all the blame on the Greek Cypriot side and claim that all the illegal things our side did was "out of necessity". I've read what you wrote before and I'm more furious now then ever.
How can you claim with a straight face that "The Republic of Cyprus did not ignore its constitution" when your side wanted to get rid of the many vital parts of the constitution that maintained the balance between the two communities only 3 years after they were accepted?
How can you claim that "Republic of Cyprus did not set up illegal bands but only a militia, out of necessity, in order to defend itself" when we know about the Akritas plan, when we know instances where Turkish Cypriots disappeared and never found, where Turkish Cypriots were taken out of their homes by the Republic of Cyprus police and never returned back? I guess these were out of necessity too?
Listen, Kifeas...If Greek Cypriots were such law abiding people, they would not choose to live with murderers of Dohni, OK? If Greek Cypriots were so fond of democracy and human rights, they would say something about the condition of Turkish Cypriots between 1963-1974. If Republic of Cyprus cared about its Turkish Cypriot citizens, it would have asked those Turkish Cypriots to return back. Republic of Cyprus would be sensitive enough not to use Greek flag and Greece national anthem all these years if they really cared about its Turkish citizens.
There's nothing "out of necessity" about these. In the Turkish Cypriot community, it's only ultra-nationalists that make "out of necessity" claims like you did. |
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De_La_Soul
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I don't know what this has to do with anything but to give you an answer, I never remember Erol to put all the blame on the Greek Cypriot side and claim that all the illegal things our side did was "out of necessity". I've read what you wrote before and I'm more furious now then ever.
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Erol will always pretend he condones Turkish Cypriot crimes but will then say it was because of something a Greek Cypriot did.
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How can you claim with a straight face that "The Republic of Cyprus did not ignore its constitution" when your side wanted to get rid of the many vital parts of the constitution that maintained the balance between the two communities only 3 years after they were accepted?
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How can expect Greek Cypriots to be happy with a constitution that gave Turkish Cypriot more rights than them??
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How can you claim that "Republic of Cyprus did not set up illegal bands but only a militia, out of necessity, in order to defend itself" when we know about the Akritas plan, when we know instances where Turkish Cypriots disappeared and never found, where Turkish Cypriots were taken out of their homes by the Republic of Cyprus police and never returned back? I guess these were out of necessity too?
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How much do you know about the Akritas plan and how much is propaganda? What about the Greek Cypriots who disappeard also and the ones who left in Turkish Cypriots village by the British police and never came back. No...its never a Turks fault is it.
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Listen, Kifeas...If Greek Cypriots were such law abiding people, they would not choose to live with murderers of Dohni, OK? |
The same can be said with Turkish Cypriot's and substantially more murders of Greek Cypriot's in the north of the island. How can you live amongst those Turkish Cypriot's and ex Turkish soldiers who commited such barbaric attrocities? |
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De_La_Soul, please mind your language and/or what you call other members.
You are only back three days and start it again? |
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zan
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How can expect Greek Cypriots to be happy with a constitution that gave Turkish Cypriot more rights than them?? |
So why sign the treaty in the first place? |
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erolz
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| How can expect Greek Cypriots to be happy with a constitution that gave Turkish Cypriot more rights than them?? |
DLS you should be asking the question why did the 1960 agreements give so much power and equality to a smaller community?
The answer lies in the Greek Cypriot communities total disregard for the Turkish Cypriot community and it's wishes as well as for Turkey's concerns. The answer lies in the fanatical fervor with which the Greek Cypriot leadership pursued union of Cyprus with Greece over independence. If the Greek Cypriot leadership and community had shown any ability to be concerned not just for themselves but also for their fellow Turkish Cypriot then the 60's agreements would not have given so much power to the Turkish Cypriot community and would not have needed to.
It is views like the one you recently expressed below that were the reason for why the 60's agreements gave such power to the smaller Turkish Cypriot commuinty and needed to
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...and what say did the 'Grecophones' have when they were under a 300 odd year oppression from the 'Turcophones'? Or when the 'Turcophones' sided with our new masters the British.
Was it so wrong for us to have our own say on our own destiny, especially after so many years of oppression and poverty???
At the end of the day, Cyprus was under occupation and in poverty, why the hell couldnt we have our own say? In a time of desperation, did you expect the Greek Cypriots to lose out on their democratic right for the sake of the decendents of our Ottoman oppressors. What did they do for US!? |
Basically you believe that because Cypriots had never ruled themselves before 1960 that this justifies all denial of the Turkish Cypriot communities rights and wishes by the Greek Cypriot community and means that the Greek Cypriot community should get whatever it wants and anything it has done or does (legal and illegal) in pursuit of solely Greek Cypriot desires is totally justified. It is views like these than made such political equality of the communities necessary in the 1960 agreements. It is views like these that make it just as important today. You clearly still believe that Greek Cypriot alone should have the (divine?) right to determine Cypriot's and Cyprus's future and impose it on others with no regard for anyone else. That Turkish Cypriot as individuals and as a community have no say at all because they are the cultural descendants of the previous ottoman rulers of Cyprus. Whilst such a world view exits amongst the numerically dominant community in Cyprus so will the need for real degrees of effective political equality of the communities remain. |
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Kifeas
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I don't know what this has to do with anything but to give you an answer, I never remember Erol to put all the blame on the Greek Cypriot side and claim that all the illegal things our side did was "out of necessity". I've read what you wrote before and I'm more furious now then ever. |
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You mean Turkey compromising by recognising and vindicating a Republic of Cyprus government that ignored its own constitutional law, it's own constitutional courts, that set up and used illegal armed bands and perpetrated illegality after illegality , plotted the secret and illegal removal of Turkish Cypriot community constitutional rights ? |
I suppose you do not find Erol’s one-sided comments (above) an attempt to load all the blame on the Greek Cypriots for the situation we are in today! And this just one small example out of the hundreds of such posts made by Erol in the forum, in all of which he is trying transfer the entire load of the blame on the Greek Cypriots for he thinks happened before 74, so that he justifies and moralises the present and for 32 years continuing illegalities and violations by Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot leadership in Cyprus! I have never seen you though tell him off, for what he is trying to do.
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Listen, Kifeas...If Greek Cypriots were such law abiding people, they would not choose to live with murderers of Dohni, OK? |
If you can explain to me how the Turkish Cypriots choose to live with murderers among them in the north -and you also have plenty of them, then I will also be able to explain to you the opposite. And do not tell me that you are not claiming that the Turkish Cypriots are law abiding people, because your friend Erol does!
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If Greek Cypriots were so fond of democracy and human rights, they would say something about the condition of Turkish Cypriots between 1963-1974. |
As a matter of fact, from early 1968 and onwards the Greek Cypriots opened all the road blockade outside the enclaves and the Turkish Cypriots could go out and work, return to their fields and properties, so that their economic situation is improved, and as far as I know absolutely no one was harmed by Greek Cypriots from those that had chosen to ignore the TMT threats and blackmailing and moved out.
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If Republic of Cyprus cared about its Turkish Cypriot citizens, it would have asked those Turkish Cypriots to return back. |
In early 1968, the Greek Cypriot side started negotiating with the Turkish Cypriot leadership for a new agreement that would re-integrate the Turkish Cypriots back into the Republic of Cyprus, (parliament, government, civil service, etc,) and also grand them internal regional autonomy in several areas around Cyprus which they were populating by majority.
Therefore, it wasn’t as dark as Erol and many Turkish Cypriots are trying to paint the situation. We never claimed or assumed that you had no rights in the running of the Republic of Cyprus, nor we have ever assumed that you had no rights to your homes, properties and jobs around Cyprus. After 1968, we have tried to change things to the better, and reverse the bad situation that was created in the previous 4 years. We may not have been so successful, mainly because of some few idiots among the Greek Cypriot community that were insisting in their pro-enosis and anti-Makarios violent campaign and the backing they were receiving by the Greek Junta, nevertheless we have tried, and certainly a marked improvement was seen in the living conditions of the Turkish Cypriots -even though many in your community and in your leadership under Denktash, have been continuing to conspire with Turkey for the eventual invasion and partition. |
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zan
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| As a matter of fact, from early 1968 and onwards the Greek Cypriots opened all the road blockade outside the enclaves and the Turkish Cypriots could go out and work, return to their fields and properties, so that their economic situation is improved, and as far as I know absolutely no one was harmed by Greek Cypriots from those that had chosen to ignore the TMT threats and blackmailing and moved out. |
Was it not Samson that walked through the streets with a Turkish flag in one hand and a gun in the other promising safe passage to the Turkish Cypriot people of his village. He then murdered all the men in a school building. Symbolicly Makarios could have been seen to do the same thing with the statments below. Check the dates Einstien. 
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14.3.1971
"Cyprus is Greek. Cyprus was Greek since the dawn of history, and will remain Greek. Greek and undivided we have taken it over. Greek and undivided we shall preserve it. Greek and undivided we shall deliver it to Greece."
Archbishop Makarios, in a speech at Yialousa village
25.3.1971
"National restoration has not yet been completed. But Cyprus has faith and follows others’ examples. With a solid, internal front, with domestic accord and unity, as dictated by certain lessons of the 1821 struggle, Cyprus will always remain faithful to Greece, its motherland, goal of its struggles and target of the sacrifices of its sons."
Archbishop Makarios, on the 150th Anniversary of Greek Independence.
21.9.1971
"I am in favour of Enosis. Enosis is the national aspiration of Greek Cypriots."
Archbishop Makarios, in an interview with ITN London
16.3.1972
"If your aim is the launching of a struggle for Enosis, both I and the people of Cyprus are ready to enter such a struggle provided it is backed by the Greek Government."
Archbishop Makarios, replying to a Greek Government note of 11.2.1972
5.11.1972
"Those who disagree with the way of handling Cyprus’s national problem and call themselves Enosists accuse and call the others, the overwhelming majority of the Greek Cypriot people, anti-Enosists. The charge is false and inadmissible. All Greek Cypriots are and will be Enosists."
Archbishop Makarios, in a speech at the unveiling of a statue of an EOKA fighter at Akaki village
19.2.1973
"I have struggled for the union of Cyprus with Greece, and Enosis will always be my deep national aspiration as it is the aspiration of all Greek Cypriots. My national creed has never changed and my career as a national leader has shown no inconsistency or contradiction. I have accepted independence instead of Enosis because certain external conditions and factors have not allowed a free choice.
. . . If I had any ambitions, my greatest ambition would be for my name to be associated with Enosis."
Archbishop Makarios, in an interview given to the French magazine ‘Le Point’. |
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Kifeas
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Those were nonsense slogans that Makarios was throwing out occasionally, in order to fool around and pacify the pro-enosists of Eoka B’ and the junta officers that infiltrated and took control of the national Guard, with the help of the Athens junta, and were conspiring and attempting, day and night since 1970, to assassinate and overthrow him from the government, for giving up the enosis struggle and negotiating with the Turkish Cypriots for a political settlement.
What did you expect him to do, when the pro-enosis camp took control of the Army at the top of the hierarchy and was conspiring to overthrow and assassinate him, in the name of enosis, with the full secret backing of the Greek junta government?
From 1970 until 1974, when they eventually succeeded in their aims, he had escaped 5 major and another 11 minor assassination attempts against him. If those pro-enosis fractions had the slightest doubt that Makarios had not given up enosis and did not object it as an ultimate solution, they wouldn’t have so fiercely kept trying to eliminate him, day and night. Yet, those people that had the means and the ability to know inside out what he was thinking and aiming, did not buy his slogans aiming to fool them around and pacify them, and did everything in their ability to get him out of the way; but you seem to know better than them and accept at face value what you have read in some newspapers that he was occassionally saying in public. |
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