Turkey is warned for expulsion from the Council of Europe!

depurple · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 11:53 am Post subject:

Erolz what are you and Kifreas wasting valuable time arguing weather Turkey is in the EU or NOT:
Personally I don't care:
The only thing I do care is that:
1: The EU has to be fair with Turkey: A level playing field:

2: Turkey must agree to EU reforms like it or not: The EU will not let Turkey get away with doing only 1% of a 100% chapter:

3:The Republic of Cyprus MUST accept equality in Cyprus with the Greek Cypriot & Turkish Cypriot:
In other words: Equal partners in all Cyprus:
So therefore the president will be rotating every year or so until the DAY when we all say we are Europeans from Cyprus:
END OF STORY:
When that day comes we can all vote for any president:I will vote for Sener Lavant:
(PS I think that Dentash & Cleridis must visit there makers first) and I am not talking about Turkey and Greece the real maker!
cheers
Kifreas I want to put you and Erolz as my barman at the HOOTERS BAR but you guys will be to busy arguing over this and that:
PS AGAIN
Concentrate on Cyprus and let Turkey and Erodgan and the Military work its own way out with the EU and GOOD LUCK if they can!
cheers

Kifeas · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:01 pm Post subject:

Kifeas · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject:

erolz · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:15 pm Post subject:

Let's talk about politically 'holding people hostage' shall we and look at previous occasions this has been done in the cyprus context.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/24/wcypr24.xml

erolz · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:30 pm Post subject:

Kifeas · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:31 pm Post subject:

erolz · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject:

Viewpoint · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject:

I have to congratulate both kifeas and erolz for their posts over the past few days, which make great reading but at the same time I cant help but bring to light the dangers of manipulating issues to the extent of throwing mud or giving hypocritical opinions to try and influence peoples thoughts and lay blame clearly at the other sides door.
Kifeas has continually used his command of the English language to contort and intentionally misunderstand and portray Turkey and the Turkish Cypriots as the culprits and the side that needs to realign its thoughts in order to change and accommodate Greek Cypriots demands, he does this with the annan plan brilliantly as he is very aware that 80% of people have not actually read the plan and will accept blindly anything he feeds them: Luckily there are people like erolz who can answer back will logical explanations providing clear examples that do not only enlighten and educate us but reveal the underhand tactics of certain individuals on both forums we all frequent. Well done you have both given us the opportunity to read at first hand the arguments put forward by both sides on specific issues which I have found extremely fascinating and very stimulating. The decision to who is peddling the correct and true information and viewpoints is again left entirely to your own evaluations but I know who is way ahead in my book not just for his unbiased views but his clarity in thought is something to be acknowledged and trusted.

Kifeas · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:43 pm Post subject:

Kifeas · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:46 pm Post subject:

erolz · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:56 pm Post subject:

Kifeas · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:20 pm Post subject:

The reason Makarios refused to implement the separate municipality provision was because he had evidence that the Turkish Cypriot community wanted to make used of it in order to better organize itself into town enclaves, for the purpose of furthering on the ground the already institutionalized ethnic separation of the people of Cyprus, and implement it also in a territorial sense; mainly because this would have allowed the Turkish Cypriot leadership to secretly arm themselves and control and fanaticize their community members more effectively, as a first stage of their pursuit towards the ultimate goal of partition. He did ignore the constitution on this issue, but out of necessity and in order to protect the overall national interest which was to safeguard the country’s territorial integrity that was threatened by the advancing Turkish Cypriot leadership's mutiny plans against the Republic of Cyprus. “Denis” boat, coming from Turkey, was non-stop secretly downloading weapons and ammunition in Kokkina and Limnitis villages, since 1958.

Yiorgadjis organized a Greek Cypriot militia to defend the Republic of Cyprus from the Turkish Cypriot prospective mutiny, out of necessity, simply because the Republic of Cyprus police and Army were insufficient in terms of numbers and inefficient in terms of political and constitutional mandate to defend the Republic of Cyprus and the Greek Cypriot community from the illegal TMT gangs that had created their own army within the territory of Cyprus. If this was wrong, then it is also wrong for the Republic of Turkey not to allow, and fight instead, the PKK, which operates within the territory of Turkey. The TMT at the time was no different than the Kurdish PKK today in Turkey. Both of them were separatist movements that were threatening the territorial integrity of their countries.

It is an entirely different issue, if -once the mutiny begun in December 1963, some elements outside the mandates of this militia committed crimes and in some cases atrocities and another thing to claim that such crimes were also planed from above and /or that they those committing them were instructed to do so. Crimes were also committed by members of the Turkish Cypriot militia -the TMT, which was also operating under the command of the Turkish Cypriot leadership that up to the time were also a party in the Republic of Cyprus government and parliament (until they withdraw,) but this does not mean that such crimes were planned or instructed by the leadership itself.

There is absolutely no evidence to suggest or prove that the “Akritas plan” was something authorized or ordered by Makarios himself or his government cabinet as whole, and not instead just the personal initiative of its author(s.)

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Lewis Gerolemou · Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2006 2:36 pm Post subject:

I really don't understand the logic of this argument. Both sides will use whatever it takes to gain advantage over the other be it size of armed forces, geography or relationship with the world's only super power in Turkey's case. Republic of Cyprus having recently acquired EU membership will use it to "negotiate" with Turkey. Can you really blame the Greek Cypriots for this, its the best "weapon" they have although they do run the risk of it blowing up in their faces.