APOLOGY AND RESPECT

stavrizatz · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 2:59 pm Post subject:

So self-determination in the 1950 represented the voice of Greek-Cypriots alone and this was not fair (let's asume that no Turkish Cypriots supported self-determination). Is this what your trying to say?

What was fair then? you tell me Erolz.
What is fair, if self-determination is not?

De_La_Soul · Deputy Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1131

Dont listen to Erolz, he is totally twisted.

If it was up to him, the Greek revoloution from Turkish Ottoman occupation would be classed as illegal.

erolz · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject:

erolz · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 5:36 pm Post subject:

De_La_Soul · Deputy Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1131

repulsewarrior · Deputy Joined: 06 Jan 2006 Posts: 1973 Location: Canada

DLS, I think that Erolz has a point. There are two communities and by the fact that the great majority of the great majority had for themselves an idea, did not substatiate ignoring the needs of their counterparts. Because Grecophones concentrated on satisfying their own needs, Turcophomes were placed, as a people at peril.

Witness, the Communal Chamber, which remains empty, because Grecophones chose to select no members.

As a State we have matured greatly. Divided as we are, our economy, and our abilities of social-exchange remain of the best, in the world. We are a country, and our recognition, as such, by the UN, and the EU, gives us a singular voice toward the efforts we commit to, as a member of these International communities.

De_La_Soul · Deputy Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1131

...and what say did the 'Grecophones' have when they were under a 300 odd year oppression from the 'Turcophones'? Or when the 'Turcophones' sided with our new masters the British.

Was it so wrong for us to have our own say on our own destiny, especially after so many years of oppression and poverty???

At the end of the day, Cyprus was under occupation and in poverty, why the hell couldnt we have our own say? In a time of desperation, did you expect the Greek Cypriots to lose out on their democratic right for the sake of the decendents of our Ottoman oppressors. What did they do for US!?

cannedmoose · Posted: Sun Oct 08, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject:

De_La_Soul · Deputy Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1131

ooooh, ive got the squits now.

zan · Mukhtar/is Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 962

Hold on! Hold on!Is my brain working slow or what. I s our friend DLS the one and only Main source of old. DJ, bad attitude and record collector???? Wink

De_La_Soul · Deputy Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 1131

DJ, MILITANT and record collector.

stavrizatz · Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:36 am Post subject:

Thanks Erolz for the link, great, wholistic view of self-detrmination and its limitations. Last time the link didn't work.

From what I understand you believe that self-determination was not really self-determination because it results Enosis and Enosis discriminated the ethnic minority of Turkish-Cypriots. In my opinion it didn't as the extreme majority of the whole population supported Enosis including a number of Turkish Cypriots. Family friends of my father from the mixed village Ayios Vasileios supported Enosis and for this reason I guess Enosis represented self-determination.

I believe the whole debate is a clash of opinions. You have made you point of view very clear and I respect it. I guess you have way more knowledge on the subject that me, I am only 21 and my knowledge is somehow limited. I formed the above opinion, I do not exclude the possibility of being wrong!

Cheers

stavrizatz · Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 6:45 am Post subject:

DLS

maybe Erolz is twisted, but in that regard I am twisted as well on the subject of self-determination and Enosis.

I beleive Enosis was and is still fair as a result of Cypriot self determination, not Greek, not Turkish, not Uzbegistanish!!!

ps don't forget the topic is Apology and RESPECT

Viewpoint · Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 9:04 am Post subject:

stavrizatz as a young generation Greek Cypriot how can you still continue to blindly support the idea of enosis as being correct? look at what it has done to Cyprus, we are moving more and more towards permanent partition every day and you come out with following

stavrizatz · Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:19 pm Post subject:

How can you accuse me that I blindly support Enosis. Do you know what self-determination is? If not read the link of Erolz.

Actually I do not blindly support Enosis but you blindly oppose it, maybe without examining the possitives and neggatives of it. And that is exactly what pisses me off, not that people have an extreme opinion of some kind, but people who blindly oppose and disrespect an opinion of someone else.